Aces cracked - Avoidable?

321Mike · #1 07-02-2005, 01:39 PM

Playing .50/1 at Party Poker today I was dealt AA. I was on the button and the table was somewhat loose (4-5 to the flop usually) and very passive. I get 5 limpers in front of me, I raise, and the blinds and all the limpers call to make it 8 to the flop. At this point I'm regretting the raise because I know with this huge pot (16 small bets already) the whole table is going to chase every draw imaginable. Should I have limped to keep the pot from getting this big? Or is my pot equity just too good to pass up the raise?

The flop comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Everybody checks to me and I bet. I knew almost everybody would call for 1 bet given the size of the pot, but I didn't want to give a free card. Should I have checked and waited for the bigger bet on the turn card? Or is my pot equity still too good to pass up a raise?

I get two folds and 5 calls. The turn is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] which puts 2 spades on the board. Everybody checks. I bet. 3 calls and 2 folds. The river is J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. The big blind bets and I know I'm done for. Everybody calls and he shows the 5 and 7 of spades for the flush.

I'm going with the idea that I played this one OK because in this type of pot my aces only have to hold up about 1 in 5 times for me to make money. But, I would really like to know if there was some way for me to protect my hand a little better.

irishpint · #2 07-02-2005, 01:47 PM

this is a hard post to respond to since you dont know how to play poker. examples

"i'm regretting the pf raise (with AA)"
"should i have checked through the flop and waited until the turn to bet?"
"i raised the flop and raised the turn" (no, you bet the flop and turn)

you should play 1 cent/2 cent or something.

Greg J · #3 07-02-2005, 01:48 PM

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Should I have limped to keep the pot from getting this big?

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No.

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Or is my pot equity just too good to pass up the raise?

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Bingo.

I like the bet on the flop. Make that guy who made his flush on the river pay to see a spade on the turn -- don't give it to him for free. Plus, you likely have the best hand, so bet. I like the bet on the turn, and the call on the river. You played this hand correctly IMO... sounds like a routine suck out. It happens. A lot.

Welcome to the boards.

GTSamIAm · #4 07-02-2005, 01:51 PM

Bet bet bet. Raise raise raise. Why do you want to check aces. That's super weak-tight. I'm also guessing if I asked you how much water is in the glass, you'd say it's half-empty. Be more optimistic against bad players.

EDIT: When I said bet bet bet raise raise raise, I'm not talking about the river. Correct river play is often counterintuitive and opposite of other streets.

Greg J · #5 07-02-2005, 01:54 PM

This might be a little harsh. He came across to me as just VERY inexperienced and unsure of himself, not as imcompetent or completely clueless.

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"i raised the flop and raised the turn" (no, you bet the flop and turn)

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So he used the wrong verb, an indication of an inexperienced player. This is just being nit picky. Occasionally I will still say raise when I meant bet.

irishpint · #6 07-02-2005, 02:00 PM

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This might be a little harsh. He came across to me as just VERY inexperienced and unsure of himself, not as imcompetent or completely clueless.

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"i raised the flop and raised the turn" (no, you bet the flop and turn)

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So he used the wrong verb, an indication of an inexperienced player. This is just being nit picky. Occasionally I will still say raise when I meant bet.

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ok, using the wrong word is no big deal. but how can you say he was not completely clueless? he didnt want to raise pf with Aces because it would create a big pot and the flop came 3 suits, all garbage and he wanted to check it through!!

pryor15 · #7 07-02-2005, 02:06 PM

you played it well despite not having a clue how to play it.

they outdrew you. big deal.

davelin · #8 07-02-2005, 02:12 PM

If you fold Aces pre-flop you'll never get them cracked. Otherwise it is unavoidable.

afk · #9 07-02-2005, 02:13 PM

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If you fold Aces pre-flop you'll never get them cracked.

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You just blew my mind.

davelin · #10 07-02-2005, 02:15 PM

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If you fold Aces pre-flop you'll never get them cracked.

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You just blew my mind.

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Out-of-the-box thinking at its finest.