Is this a playable hand or just a "I'm bored" hand?

[MikeR]

Suited Ace with a wheel card. For example.
AK suited and a 4 and a 7.

[Ironman]

Depends on position for me in a limit game. I'll play it from the cutoff or button.

Dave

[Wintermute]

I'd play it, maybe for a raise from the button, esp. if few limpers

[lonn19]

In late position maybe, I'd usually fold it though.

[gergery]

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I'd play it, maybe for a raise from the button, esp. if few limpers

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PLO8 or Limit?

I don’t much like that hand and would generally fold it

[Wintermute]

Full-ring (limit or PLO8), late position, but no raise.

Short-handed (6 or fewer), any position, raise from button if limit. Raise PL anywhere if 4 or fewer.

guess this is how I get up to 35 VPIP and 15 PFR

[gergery]

You must play a hell of a lot better than I do post flop to pull that off

[dcasper70]

Greg,
Shorthanded, I'm also showing a profit with it.

Winter,
Are you raising this hand in PL to thin the herd or build the pot in case you hit the flop (or both)?

[gergery]

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Greg,
Shorthanded, I'm also showing a profit with it.


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I'm showing a mild profit with A4s hands too, but the uncoordination make this one of the weaker A4s in my mind

[Buzz]

Mike - AA23-double-suited and 389T-non-suited are black and white to me. In a normal, full limit game, I’ll be paying to see the flop with one of them and not the other. But most other hands are not black and white to me.

If holding A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a limit game, I'd generally like to see the flop. Depending on the situation, I might raise before the flop.

The hand itself is very playable - but you have to use good poker sense in knowing when to play it and how to play it.

Sometimes somebody sits down and starts throwing money away, betting and raising with little value, trying to run over the table, and sometimes succeeding. If you have that maniac on your right, you can sometimes get one-on-one by making it three bets. And A47Ks is a good one-on-one hand against a random hand, which is the kind of hand you have to expect a maniac to be playing.

In other words, it's a good one-on-one hand against a random hand.

But if you can’t get one-on-one with the maniac by making it three bets, then don’t try. And if someone behind you is likely to make it three bets, and the maniac is likely to make it four bets, then maybe you don’t want to play the hand at all. But if the maniac is raising every time and getting a bunch of callers who are playing poor starting hands, then maybe you do want to be one of the callers.

Against a crowd of limpers, there’s a chance of catching a decent flop and you’re probably getting good enough implied pot odds to go ahead and limp along with the rest of the pack. You obviously like to be in position with the hand, just to see what everybody is doing - but sometimes when you have a feel for the game and sense no raise coming, you can limp without position. (But you should be more prone to play hands like this from late position than from early position).

In between one-on-one and a crowd, say against three tight, tough opponents, a blind and two limpers, or if one of the intervening opponents raises instead of limping, the hand looks very chancey. (Again, you like to have position to see what the situation will be, how many limpers there will be, if there will be a raise or not, etc. - but sometimes you have a good feel for what will happen and then position seems a bit less important).

Against a blind with random cards, if you can get one-on-one by raising the hand figures to do well. It's also a good hand to raise with if your raise will drop anyone with 23XY or A3XY. It's also a good steal hand, if you have a good chance to steal with a pre-flop raise. But if your raise probably won't have any of those effects, then a pre-flop raise is probably ill advised, except maybe as an occasional snow-job raise.

But yeah, I’ll usually want to see the flop with the hand.

Buzz