Maybe the worst bet I've ever seen

Double Eagle · #1 06-29-2005, 11:58 PM

Was it possible for the button to have played this any worse?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t16625)
MP1 (t1350)
MP2 (t8100)
Hero (t25700)
CO (t3760)
Button (t8700)
SB (t7430)
BB (t3350)
UTG (t26830)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t200, Hero raises to t800, 1 fold, Button calls t800, 2 folds, MP2 calls t600.

Flop: (t2700) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t1200, Button raises to t7900, MP2 calls t7300 (All-In), Hero folds.

Turn: (t19100) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t19100) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t19100

MP2 has Kd 8d (four of a kind, kings).
Button has As Ah (full house, kings full of aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins t18500. Button wins t600.

gumpzilla · #2 06-30-2005, 12:01 AM

Um, I don't think it's so bad. People will give him credit for AA here approximately never. What would you have done if MP2 hadn't called?

EDIT: Also, depending on opponents, there are probably better ways to play, but how many more streets were you planning on firing, and how much were you willing to call down with? Also, it should be blazingly obvious that this guy cannot avoid getting stacked by the K, so no fair holding that against him.

pokergrader · #3 06-30-2005, 12:01 AM

I think folding his aces pre-flop would have been pretty bad.

bohemian · #4 06-30-2005, 12:08 AM

You must play very little if this is the worst you've seen.

yoadrians · #5 06-30-2005, 12:08 AM

I think MP2's play preflop was the worst. As for the AA, man, you didn't see it coming. You would've never put him on AA here, so he was tricky and if MP2 hadn't flopped quads, he would've taken all of YOUR chips.

I don't mind his play here at all. A little different line with AA, and it didn't work out. But certainly not the worst-played AA I've ever seen.

Double Eagle · #6 06-30-2005, 12:09 AM

Well I'm folding pretty quickly regardles of MP2's action. Seems to me he loses pretty much every hand that can put any more money into the pot(and that he has drawing dead) and is only ever going to find the King with this bet.

gumpzilla · #7 06-30-2005, 12:11 AM

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Well I'm folding pretty quickly regardles of MP2's action. Seems to me he loses pretty much every hand that can put any more money into the pot(and that he has drawing dead) and is only ever going to find the King with this bet.

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I think TT-QQ (a very realistic group of hands for him to put you on) looks him up here 90% of the time.

Double Eagle · #8 06-30-2005, 12:27 AM

But there's a second player in this hand who might also be willing to put more money in. If I have QQ/JJ he's certainly getting money out of me before the river and there are only 3-7 cards in the deck that can possibly kill his action. I think calling is the play here and it's not close.

MegaBet · #9 06-30-2005, 12:35 AM

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You must play very little if this is the worst you've seen.

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What he said.

Per Harrington, this is a great flop for AA. There's only one card in the deck to beat him, and unfortunately MP2 had it. I would have raised preflop, but I see nothing really wrong with his play. I do commend you on your fold though.

Scooterdoo · #10 06-30-2005, 12:54 AM

It's weird that you would even consider this the worst play you have ever seen. His flop play was fine -- no way to put the first player on a K. You might want to suggest that he should have made a big re-raise after you made the initial raise, but the flat call is fine every once in a while. Of course in hindsight a re-raise would have gotten the junky Kx to fold, but he should have folded anyway. Forget pot odds, he was most likely dominated and would be out of position by calling another 600 with that junk.