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06-28-2005, 05:58 PM
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QQ full ring - problem on the turn
villain seems like a reasonable platyer. he bought in for what seems like his whole bankroll (something like $170).
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls. Turn: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero ??? given that villain seems to be a thinking opponent (whethere he is skilled or not is a differnt story entirely), what's you're line here? 
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#2
06-28-2005, 06:21 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
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villain seems like a reasonable platyer. he bought in for what seems like his whole bankroll (something like $170). [/ QUOTE ] i would never make many judgments on a person with a lot of money in front of them. is he 'reasonable' soley based on his buyin?? anyways, against many opponents i raise this. a lot of the times he will have picked up a draw, or a worse hand. he might have a weak ten and waited till the turn to see if any scare cards hit. a raise charges him the most when hes on a draw or weak hand. it really depends on your read though, if he is very passive, i would not raise this. [ QUOTE ] given that villain seems to be a thinking opponent (whethere he is skilled or not is a differnt story entirely), what's you're line here? [/ QUOTE ] this doesn't seem like much of a read to me. the worst poker player in the world 'thinks' [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#4
06-28-2005, 07:16 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
There's donkbets and then there are bluffs.
Since he's betting into 3 people including your aggression, I don't think it's a bluff. There's also a caller in front and you can only protect your hand against one player behind you. You're drawing dead vs. a straight, you have lots of outs vs. 2 pair, and it's tough to fold to a 3-bet. This is a pretty straightforward call.
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#5
06-28-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
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[ QUOTE ] villain seems like a reasonable platyer. he bought in for what seems like his whole bankroll (something like $170). [/ QUOTE ] i would never make many judgments on a person with a lot of money in front of them. is he 'reasonable' soley based on his buyin?? [/ QUOTE ] Over at Absolute, I've seen people buy in to the 1/2 6max tables for $10 or $20. It is pretty easy to judge that these people are NOT reasonable.
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#6
06-28-2005, 07:25 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
There are people who bet a flush draw even on the turn, but without a read I discount that. I'd guess J8 just made a straight or he hit two pair. I can't imagine him betting less than two pair into you, so I probably call down. This maybe way too passive though.
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#7
06-28-2005, 08:09 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] villain seems like a reasonable platyer. he bought in for what seems like his whole bankroll (something like $170). [/ QUOTE ] i would never make many judgments on a person with a lot of money in front of them. is he 'reasonable' soley based on his buyin?? [/ QUOTE ] Over at Absolute, I've seen people buy in to the 1/2 6max tables for $10 or $20. It is pretty easy to judge that these people are NOT reasonable. [/ QUOTE ] It saves me money when they hit a straight flush against my A high flush, because then I only lose the money needed to cap the turn =D.
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#8
06-28-2005, 09:21 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
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villain seems like a reasonable platyer. he bought in for what seems like his whole bankroll (something like $170). [/ QUOTE ] sorry if this wasn't clear. what I meant was that I hadn't seen him do anything stupid, but all I really know about him is that he bought in for ~170bb, which is strange
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#9
06-28-2005, 09:41 PM
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Re: QQ full ring - problem on the turn
So pot is 6.5 BB, right?
You're 22:1 to hit trips, which are no good if villian hit his straight, but good if he's on 2 pair. You've got 12 outs to probably hit a higher 2 pair, so you're getting better than 3:1 here. Tough call. I'd probably fold because I'm not convinced my possible trips or 2 pair is gonna take it and the pot's not that large. But I could be convinced this is wrong.
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