99 in SB against BB TAG HU

[Sasnak]

Villain is TAG with 17/12/5 at close to 50 hands. I hadn't played many hands and this was the first steal attempt where it was folded all the way to me in the SB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

I read his 3 bet as playing back at me with a pure blind defense play looking to raise on the flop if an A/K fell.

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

In reviewing the hand I'm thinking I should have lead and folded to a raise. Would calling the raise and check/folding UI have been better?

[QTip]

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Villain is TAG with 17/12/5 at close to 50 hands. I hadn't played many hands and this was the first steal attempt where it was folded all the way to me in the SB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

I read his 3 bet as playing back at me with a pure blind defense play looking to raise on the flop if an A/K fell.

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

In reviewing the hand I'm thinking I should have lead and folded to a raise. Would calling the raise and check/folding UI have been better?

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I suck in these situations, but I can see a great case for capping PF and leading any flop.

[thejameser]

i lead this every time. don't let villain take control and bluff you off of your hand. bet right out in this situation.

[goofball]

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i lead this every time. don't let villain take control and bluff you off of your hand. bet right out in this situation.

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Cause there's no way you can be bluffed off your hand that way. Like if villian still thinks we're in a pissing contest and raises the flop or turn.

[Fat Nicky]

check/calling is the worst play on the flop. IMO. He could be re-stealing w/any A and his 3-bet took control of the hand. Since you didn't cap pre-flop, retake the initiative by leading or check/raising the flop. I personally like leading.

[goofball]

Same to you. I'm not saying there's no merit to a cap PF, but it certainly won't prevent your opponent from bluffing you.


This is such an opponent dependent situation, but very very frequently in blind steal situations where you have a pair, you need to be prepared to meet your opponent at the river.

(by the way, I think a cap is good here PF, but for value. You have way the best of it with 99 against his probable 3betting range)

[krimson]

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i lead this every time. don't let villain take control and bluff you off of your hand. bet right out in this situation.

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What will this achieve? Villian 3-bet pre-flop he's going to raise us here 99% of the time. We need to be thinking past just that one bet.

The options as I see it are check/raise or bet/3-bet. I think I like the c/r option best, I feel it gets the best read on the situation. If we get 3-bet off the c/r we have a pretty good idea that we're in trouble and can fold the turn ui.

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[QTip]

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Same to you. I'm not saying there's no merit to a cap PF, but it certainly won't prevent your opponent from bluffing you.


This is such an opponent dependent situation, but very very frequently in blind steal situations where you have a pair, you need to be prepared to meet your opponent at the river.

(by the way, I think a cap is good here PF, but for value. You have way the best of it with 99 against his probable 3betting range)

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I'm not saying it's not for value, because I think it probably is. I think a really important topic here is initiative in the hand. Villain tried to put the burden of hitting the flop on us, the cap and lead puts it back on him.

[Fat Nicky]

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What will this achieve? Villian 3-bet pre-flop he's going to raise us here 99% of the time.

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I don't think this is true at all. Say villain 3-bet w/A-9 or 6-6, do you think even an aggressive player is raising this flop???

[thejameser]

okay, i think ahead....reraise.