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Old 06-26-2005, 09:52 PM
Bill Lumberg Bill Lumberg is offline
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Default How\'s my line?

BB is LAA.

Pre-Flop: Hero is on the button with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
7 folds, cutoff calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.5 SB) K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB bets, cutoff folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River (10.25 BB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets, Hero calls.
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Old 06-26-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

whats the plan on the turn unimproved, heart or non heart?
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Old 06-26-2005, 10:07 PM
Bill Lumberg Bill Lumberg is offline
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

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whats the plan on the turn unimproved, heart or non heart?

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That's a great question. I'm thinking I should have raised on the flop if anything, just to see where I'm at in the hand. Then, if villain 3-bets, I could fold the turn UI, and if he calls, I could bet the turn if he checks.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

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whats the plan on the turn unimproved, heart or non heart?

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That's a great question. I'm thinking I should have raised on the flop if anything, just to see where I'm at in the hand. Then, if villain 3-bets, I could fold the turn UI, and if he calls, I could bet the turn if he checks.

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This doesnt make sense. You know hes super loose agressive, so what does a 3 bet on the flop mean? Also, why would you want to raise this player? So you can stop them from betting down nothing? If he is loose aggressive and betting into you while you hold a very weak hand, I don't see why your raising.

Also, if you get 3-bet on this flop, your costing yourself 1 extra BB on the flop when your behind. Whereas if you call down the whole way, you don't stop the lag from betting his hand (hence more value for you). You also will only lose 1 more BB from by the time you show down if the lag bets the turn and river if you are behind. If you get 3-bet on the flop you save yourself 1 BB, if your behind, but even then, do you know your behind UI on the turn when bet into?

In my opinion, raising this flop against this type of player is horrible.

Anyway, this is what I think. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:28 PM
mtdoak mtdoak is offline
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

I can't think of a better flop line than go for the cheap showdown. Raise and Fold if your 3 bet IMHO. Flat calling this with no redraws just can't be the best line here.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:34 PM
mtdoak mtdoak is offline
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

Even against a LAG flat calling with 2 overcards on the flop with position doesn't seem right? Esp. with no real redraws. IMHO this is a clear raise/fold situation. Go for the cheap showdown. By flat calling here your commiting 2.5 BB for a 5.25 BB (assuming your calling down with if no more hearts come).
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

I think it would be easier if we knew how big a LAA villain was.
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

That line sucks.

I like call call call.
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: How\'s my line?

Ya, like toss said... it changes alot if we know how LAA the villain is. Know what he does postflop, etc.
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Old 06-27-2005, 01:14 AM
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That line sucks.

I like call call call.

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