Is this line ok for AT from EP?

avisco01 · #1 06-24-2005, 07:16 PM

Should I have lead the flop in this spot?

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 :#A500AF(CC)/ calls, 4 folds, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ 3-bets, BB :#A500AF(BB)/ calls, Hero calls, MP1 :#A500AF(CC)/ calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Villain checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CC checks.

Turn: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Villain bets, BB folds, Hero raises, CC folds, Villain calls.

River: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets, Villain calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

mscags · #2 06-24-2005, 07:19 PM

I like it if you are planning on checkraising other wise I just lead out.

aK13 · #3 06-24-2005, 07:19 PM

I would have mucked preflop.

Villain's flop check probably means he's 3betting with TT-KK (or KQs if he's light), so I'd bet. If I got check/raised, I'd piss on his face while he's sleeping and make a note when he shows me AK/AQ.

avisco01 · #4 06-24-2005, 07:29 PM

I'd have definitely check-raised to knock out some draws. Also, I checked here with a small edge hoping to give the chasers poorer odds on the turn when I intended to lead / raise. Is this line of thinking correct?

avisco01 · #5 06-24-2005, 07:34 PM

Normally I don't play AT from this early, but I'm trying to be more aggressive, as per some constructive criticism I've received from members of this forum. I didn't think Villain had an A with a higher kicker when he checked the flop. He couldn't risk giving the chasers a free card with a somewhat coordinated board. Thus, I figured he was afraid of the A, rather than he had me beat. He lead the turn, which I expected given no one bet on the flop, perhaps he thought we all totally missed as well. If he 3-bets the turn, well, I'd have a problem I guess, but I felt fine after he just called.

shant · #6 06-24-2005, 07:51 PM

Fold preflop.

Nick C · #7 06-24-2005, 07:54 PM

Sometimes this flop check following a preflop 3-bet will mean Villain has AA and flopped an absolute monster. Mathematically, that's unlikely in this case, though (however, he might also do this with AK), and I'm not really sure if such a play is as common on PokerStars as on Party.

Anyway, I agree with aK13 that SB is probably scared of the ace, versus 3 opponents.

I like betting the flop and then being cautious if SB wakes up.

Also, I'm not really crazy about the ATo open-raise. I would muck, but I usually do open-raise AJo, and open-raising with ATo from UTG+2 probably isn't that bad. (It is, for instance, what I would do from MP2.)

avisco01 · #8 06-24-2005, 07:55 PM

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Fold preflop.

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Any particular reason, or just a no brainer? Like I said, I usually don't play AT from this early, but I took a shot in a relatively tight room.

shant · #9 06-24-2005, 07:58 PM

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Fold preflop.

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Any particular reason, or just a no brainer? Like I said, I usually don't play AT from this early, but I took a shot in a relatively tight room.

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A little too early for this openraise. I would raie AJo from UTG, but I like to wait until MP2 or MP3 to openraise this.

jjacky · #10 06-24-2005, 07:59 PM

preflop: i think an open raise from UTG+2 is much too strong a move for a hand as weak as ATo. i would rather call (*edit* or fold, depends on the table conditions).
if you try to push your pokertracker stats to a game theoretical optimum someone announced here in the forum i strongly recommend that you forget about that idea asap, unless you are very far away from a proper range (say your pfr is not between 6% and 12% or something like that).

postflop: your line is definitely not bad. i would like to bet the flop because you may be ahead and you get some information this way. but i think its very close.