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Old 06-24-2005, 05:23 PM
imported_ncray imported_ncray is offline
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Default Weak Turn?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB


CO is fishy. Button is laggy.
Is the turn check weak? On the uncoordinated board I figured callers had overs or some sort of a pair. The king hit, completing an "over draw." I can gauge the action behind me with a check, planning to fold of course to a bet and a raise. I'd also fold to an early bet with overcallers. What's my plan though if I check and it goes bet fold fold? I'm thinking fold behind since they would be betting into a protected pot. Any variations where you would call? Should I just bet the turn outright?
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Old 06-24-2005, 06:30 PM
ihardlyknowher ihardlyknowher is offline
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Default Re: Weak Turn?

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB


CO is fishy. Button is laggy.
Is the turn check weak? On the uncoordinated board I figured callers had overs or some sort of a pair. The king hit, completing an "over draw." I can gauge the action behind me with a check, planning to fold of course to a bet and a raise. I'd also fold to an early bet with overcallers. What's my plan though if I check and it goes bet fold fold? I'm thinking fold behind since they would be betting into a protected pot. Any variations where you would call? Should I just bet the turn outright?

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I would bet/fold the turn and, if no one raised my turn bet, I would check/call (but probably not over call) most river cards. Reasons:
-the pot is laying you 6.25:1 and you are probably good &gt;14% of the time,
-you may knock out someone holding a Q, J, or A - you may even get a pair of Ts to fold; all of these are very good if you are currently best or second-best, and
-you have any easy fold if you are raised.
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