fold trips on the river?

cdxx · #1 06-19-2005, 11:28 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

i've given up here...

River: (9.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero ???

cdxx · #2 06-19-2005, 11:29 AM

btw, i know i had trips and never raised during the hand. still, when should i give up?

Fantam · #3 06-19-2005, 12:00 PM

You should have called on the river.

You are correct that you should have 3-bet the flop. It is more likely that other players were betting with one [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] than a made flush, or else had hands like top pair,2 pair or drawing to a straight.

In particular, when the turn was checked round to you, it was still possible that you had the best hand and you should have bet. If check-raised on the turn, it would then have been reasonable for you to fold.

When UTG+1 bets on the river, it is just as likely that he is having a stab at the pot with a pair, as having the flush. So you should call.

mmmmmbrother · #4 06-19-2005, 12:09 PM

dont you have to be 90-93% sure he has a flush? i think hes just betting since no one bet fourth enough times to make this good.

silkyslim · #5 06-19-2005, 01:11 PM

I'd 3 bet the flop, bet the turn, fold if check raised. Need to call on the river for one bet due to the size of the pot.

einbert · #6 06-19-2005, 01:37 PM

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bet the turn, fold if check raised

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This is a bad idea.

atnels · #7 06-19-2005, 01:55 PM

Why in the name of all that is holy would you want to fold to a c/r on the turn when you have 10 outs?

Dave G. · #8 06-19-2005, 01:57 PM

3-bet the flop, bet the turn, call the river.

Someone doesn't necessarily have the flush. If someone does have the flush on the turn and you get check-raised, you still have 10 outs to a full house or quads. If your turn bet gets called and its checked to you on this river, you can check through.

Nowhere should you be folding this hand.

einbert · #9 06-19-2005, 02:00 PM

I would most likely have three-bet the flop.

I think betting the turn would have been a mistake.

Given how the hand played out, I call the river bet. UTG+1 could easily be betting two pair for value here, although he could have the flush too. I think a call is profitable though.

Fishlips_Jones · #10 06-19-2005, 02:04 PM

I don't raise this preflop. I fold on the flop.

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