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Old 06-18-2005, 12:28 AM
Dov Dov is offline
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Default I really suck don\'t I?

How much should I have reraised the turn?

I just pushed because I was remembering my AA hand. But that's stupid.

So what's the right play here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($100)
Hero ($119.25)
MP ($104.02)
Button ($193.27)
SB ($75.41)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, MP calls $5, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP calls $7.

Turn: ($25.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $10</font>, Hero Pushes All In (~110), MP folds.

Final Pot: $~145.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

How about leading turn?
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:45 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

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How about leading turn?

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I was real sure that this guy was going to bet if I checked it to him.

The problem is that I didn't know how much to reraise because I wasn't really sure if I wanted a call or not.

I think I did, but I figured that:

1 - I wasn't folding
2 - I didn't want to give him correct odds
3 - I didn't really want him to come over the top
4 - I wanted to define my hand

I'm thinking that 3 and 4 are mistakes here, but I'm not sure.

Even if I was sure, the only thing I can think of is to overbet the pot slightly and call if he pushes.

What I'm really confused about here is:

What if I pot the turn, get called and the river is a club.

I can't bet it now, right?

If villain pushes, do I have a call?

I just pushed because I didn't know what to do if a club hit, I guess.
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:45 AM
Malachii Malachii is offline
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

Just bet half/two thirds pot.
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

You absolutely want to lead the turn. You get raised, good! Move in and expect a split @ worst.
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:52 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

If you want to confuse him into calling then I would rather do something like check-call the turn and then overbet the river. Or against the super-aggros you could even underbet the river and pray for a raise. But the line you took makes it really easy to get away for only $10 more.
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

What's your line if a club hits on the end or the board pairs?
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Old 06-18-2005, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: I really suck don\'t I?

Club wouldn't bother me. I'd consider it a blank.

If the board pairs I'd probably bet about half pot against people that will not raise me without a boat, against the LAGs I would more likely check/call.

But my default line would be to just bet again on the turn. I'd only check if my opponent is either extremely weak-tight (and he might call a river bet, but not a turn bet, etc) or he's so insanely LAG that he will call on the flop with trash and try to steamroll me as soon as I show weakness.
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