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1. There's a decent player (maybe a TAG) in the BB. You're MP3 with a red KK. Folded to you, you raise. Folded to the BB who calls.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, you bet , he calls

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, you ? and why?



2. You hold A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the CO.

Folded to you and you raise. The BB 3 bets. You call.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets, you call.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks, you ? and why?


3. You hold K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the CO. 3 limpers to you, you raise, folded to BB who calls. 5 to the flop for 10.5 sb.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to you, you bet, BB folds, 3 limpers call.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to you, you ? and why?

[jskills]

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1. There's a decent player (maybe a TAG) in the BB. You're MP3 with a red KK. Folded to you, you raise. Folded to the BB who calls.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, you bet , he calls

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, you ? and why?



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Bet. You have the best hand. Not betting allows villan infinite odds to see a free card. He's in the blind, so who knows what he has (yes we can put a TAG on a range of hands, but it will be wider defending his blind).

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2. You hold A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the CO.

Folded to you and you raise. The BB 3 bets. You call.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets, you call.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks, you ? and why?



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Bet. You are heads up and likely have the best hand. If you are checkraised, it's read dependent whether to call down or fold. With no info, I'll call it down.


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3. You hold K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the CO. 3 limpers to you, you raise, folded to BB who calls. 5 to the flop for 10.5 sb.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to you, you bet, BB folds, 3 limpers call.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to you, you ? and why?

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Bet. You have the second nut flush vs. 3 opponents. Betting increases the size of the pot or wins it right there. You have no reason to assume anyone is holding the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], so betting here seems right if only to increase the size of the pot. Someone with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] could call it down. I understand giving a free card cannot hurt you here, since if you're going to lose, you've lost already, but I cannot find any reason not to bet in this spot.

[eleventy]

1 - bet, hoping he raises, call, probably raise him on the river
2 - check try to catch a river bluff
3 - easy bet

[Grease]

I bet all three of these.

I bet the first hand because I almost assuredly have the best hand, and I want more money to go into the pot.

I bet the second hand because I want him to call me down with KQ, KJ, or any other hand he might have that is worse than aces.

I bet the 3rd hand because I have the 2nd nuts in a crowd and have no real reason to suspect the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I have tons of value for my bet, so I do so.

I may check #2 to ensure I'm not c/r if he's tricky or aggressive, which would assuredly make him bet the river if I check, allowing me to pick off any bluff/weaker hand trying to steal. Against an unknown, I bet this.

[chief444]

Hand 1 I'd probably bet but can see an argument for checking if and only if I think it will win me a BB on the river a good percentage of the time when if I had bet BB would have folded the turn.

Hand 2 I bet. You'll get called down by a lot of worse pairs in this situation. If check/raised call down unimproved. Again I can see an argument for checking behind on the turn here though considering you're way ahead of most of BB's preflop 3-betting range and way behind a better ace. So again if I think BB folds a lot of worse hands if I bet the turn but calls the river if I check then I check. In this situation, the likelihood of BB check/raising and what his check/raising range is (if you have any idea) needs to be considered. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Hand 3 how loose are the opponents? If they're very loose I bet because they'll pay 2 BB's to showdown weaker flushes. I'd prefer to bet against very straightforward opponents too though who would never/very rarely check/raise without the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[QTip]

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In this situation, the likelihood of BB check/raising and what his check/raising range is (if you have any idea) needs to be considered. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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LOL! This does look VERY familiar, doesn't it!? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

River Rat

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These all came from the 3 examples in HEPPFAP "Inducing Bluffs" section.

Answers: Check for all three.

1. Check to induce bluff and save a bet if you're behind to better hand.

This should only be done if you think that the player will fold the turn if he a has a worse hand than you, but is capable of betting the river if you show weakness on the turn.

2. Check to avoid being check/raised. You do this to also induce a bet from your opponent on the river (you plan to call or bet if checked to). Also, he may be more inclined to now call a bet on the river even if he can't beat aces here.

3. "If you bet, you may not get any calls. Plus, if the aces is out there, you save money. However, by checking you may induce a bluff, and if you don't induce a bluff, someone who may not have called the turn, may now call the river....If it's checked to you on 5th street, always bet; and, if you now get check/raised, always call unless you're sure your opponents will not raise without the nuts. Remember your check on 4th street may allow opponents to take shots at you when you bet on the river."

OK....let's talk about it. I think these are all pretty good plans....even at 2/4 party. Any comments?

[freehat]

1. Bet, for value
2. Bet, for value maybe check-behind once in a while if he is tricky and prone to check-raise there with an A, this is a blind-steal situation so he'll call down with stuff you beat.
3. Bet, for value, i doubt the A is even out there since you likely would of heard from it on the flop

[Grease]

After reading the explanation, I can see where hand 1 is coming from, because he 3-bet and he's solid. He'll probably bet his AK or whatever on the river if you check, but he might get cold feet and fold the turn.

Hand 2 I entertained checking in my post if he were tricky, so I definetly see what that's coming from.

I must play at too many casinos because hand 3 is an obvious bet for me, but playing against better opponents, I can definitely see me checking, but against the LP's I play with, I bet this.

[MHarris]

1. Bet. Your opponent will call you down with a pretty decent range of hands, and you don't want to give a naked A a free chance to draw out.

2. Check with the intention of calling a river bet or betting the river if checked to. You're either WA/WB here. Checking will save you 1-2 bets when you're beat (depending on whether or not BB c/r's the turn) and will likely gain you a bet when you're ahead, as it increases the chance BB will either bet the river or call a river bet with QQ-99.

3. Bet. No one else has shown any initiative in this hand so far, and there's no reason to believe you have anything to gain by checking the turn with three other players in the hand.