JJ in SB flop is KKT w/Flush Draw

[Sasnak]

Again I just moved to a fresh full table so no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero???

Last hand post for the afternoon... Flops are killing me. Is a CR line here better? In reviewing the hand I'm wondering if it would have been better for a possible free card? The Button could have AQ/AJ or JT too... Plus the two [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s are staring at me.

[Jaran]

Unless I have a read that this guy likes to put moves on, I'm folding his raise and not thinking twice about it. No way I wanna try and c/r here. Betting out is fine.

-Jaran

[Fantam]

If button had a flush or straight draw, I think he would just have called your flop bet.

I know its possible that he might be raising to try for a free river card if he misses his draw on the turn. However I dont think that he would risk raising a PF raiser on that flop, as you could easily have AK,KK or TT.

I think button most likely has Kx to be raising, but I dont like the idea of folding to a raise on the flop, because it might encourage other players to bluff at you in similar circumstances.

A similar hand was posted yesterday, and I think I would now be inclined to call the flop and lead the turn. If button then raised me on the turn, I would fold.

I dont think a check-raise line on the flop is better, because you risk giving a free card to a drawing hand if you are ahead, and risk being 3-bet if you are behind.

[gopnik]

you need reads to make a decision here. I think the right play here is to fold. Combined percentage that he might have you crashed and how often he'll draw on you by the river makes it a clear fold IMHO.

[LoaferGee12]

This is another hand where I'd stop n go on the flop/turn, folding to a turn raise. He could be raising this flop with a Ten, a flush draw, or possibly even QJ for the OESD.

[SocialWelfareIV]

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I think button most likely has Kx to be raising


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Don't think a K waits for the turn to raise?

[@bsolute_luck]

calls. he might have a straight/flush draw or a T. i'm seeing the showdown and since it's HU and stop-n-go probably won't do much since he'll call either draw and you're OOP on the river, i'd probably just call down.

[silkyslim]

id call the flop, check the turn see what he does
oo i like the stop and go, never executed it in a case like this though

[topspin]

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I think button most likely has Kx to be raising


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Don't think a K waits for the turn to raise?

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I agree. I see this as a T or an outright bluff more often than Kx.

[Jaran]

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I think button most likely has Kx to be raising


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Don't think a K waits for the turn to raise?

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Not necessarily. I'm raising my K here all day.

-Jaran