NL hand....how bad was my "mistake"

[tdiddy]

Ok, here are two hands from .25/.5 blind NL game at UB. The first hand is posted to show that I stole a small pot. In the second hand I used these funds to call a rock preflop who obviously had AA (or maybe KK) while I had 55. I figured if I flop my set I can bust him. Did I play the hand wrong? The AA guy was convinced that I did. But I think it might have been a positive EV play since it only costs me $3.50 to see if I make set. And if I make set, I stand to win all his money. Am I smoking crack?

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Hand #64051-2849 at Dusseldorf (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 14/Jan/03 00:59:53

JJ Evans is at seat 0 with $45.35.
the ram is at seat 1 with $55.80.
DemonCube is at seat 2 with $56.90.
cbharrelson is at seat 4 with $39.15.
Fooge is at seat 5 with $48.60.
badbillygates is at seat 6 with $29.10.
Betty21 is at seat 7 with $61.85.
tdiddy1975 is at seat 8 with $64.85.
Street is at seat 9 with $0 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 0.

the ram posts the small blind of $.25.
DemonCube posts the big blind of $.50.

JJ Evans: -- --
the ram: -- --
DemonCube: -- --
cbharrelson: -- --
Fooge: -- --
badbillygates: -- --
Betty21: -- --
tdiddy1975: Ks Td

Pre-flop:

badbillygates says "tiltingeez". cbharrelson folds.
Fooge folds. badbillygates says "sorry".
badbillygates calls $.50. Betty21 calls $.50.
tdiddy1975 raises $1. JJ Evans folds. the ram
folds. badbillygates says "meant just geez".
DemonCube folds. Betty21 says "didn't expect that
from a blind". Betty21 says "that's all".
badbillygates says "tiltin was somew thing else i wrote
a min ago". badbillygates calls $.50. Betty21 calls
$.50.

Flop (board: 7d 5c 3s):

badbillygates checks. Betty21 checks. tdiddy1975
bets $3. badbillygates folds. Betty21 folds.



Hand #64051-2849 Summary:

$.10 is raked from a pot of $3.75.
tdiddy1975 wins $3.65.
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Hand #64051-2851 at Dusseldorf (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 14/Jan/03 01:01:55

JJ Evans is at seat 0 with $45.35.
the ram is at seat 1 with $55.55.
DemonCube is at seat 2 with $55.90.
cbharrelson is at seat 4 with $38.65.
Fooge is at seat 5 with $48.10.
badbillygates is at seat 6 with $27.10.
Betty21 is at seat 7 with $63.25.
tdiddy1975 is at seat 8 with $67.50.
Street is at seat 9 with $0 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 2.

cbharrelson posts the small blind of $.25.
Fooge posts the big blind of $.50.

JJ Evans: -- --
the ram: -- --
DemonCube: -- --
cbharrelson: -- --
Fooge: -- --
badbillygates: -- --
Betty21: -- --
tdiddy1975: 5h 5s

Pre-flop:

Betty21 says "lol". badbillygates calls $.50.
Betty21 calls $.50. tdiddy1975 calls $.50. JJ Evans
raises $4. the ram folds. DemonCube folds.
cbharrelson folds. Fooge folds. badbillygates says
"no point in wastein time". badbillygates calls
$3.50. Betty21 folds. tdiddy1975 calls $3.50.

Flop (board: Kd 7s 5c):

badbillygates checks. tdiddy1975 bets $5. JJ Evans
raises to $41.35, goes all-in. Fooge says "call bbg".
badbillygates says "no 9 or 4". Betty21 says "lol".
Fooge says "cahones?". badbillygates folds.
tdiddy1975 calls $36.35.

Turn (board: Kd 7s 5c 7d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Kd 7s 5c 7d Tc):

(no action in this round)


Showdown:

JJ Evans shows Ac Ad.
JJ Evans has Ac Ad Kd 7s 7d: two pair, aces and sevens.
tdiddy1975 shows 5h 5s.
tdiddy1975 has 5h 5s 7s 5c 7d: full house, fives full of sevens.


Hand #64051-2851 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $95.95.
tdiddy1975 wins $92.95 with full house, fives full of sevens.

[bernie]

well, you made over 10-1 implied odds on your call of 8-1...you hit your hand and he overplayed his AA like an idiot. love the guys with entitlement, dont ya. if he bet a little more preflop to where you wouldnt have been able to make 8-1 after the flop, then it could be a mistake...if he raised maybe....$8-10, youd have to make $64 in profit for +EV i think....

i think youplayed it fine...the other guy doesnt know how to play n/l that well if he thinks he has the nuts on the flop with only top pair. he trapped himself. the mope

b

[thebroker]

You can call up to 10 percent of your stack with a pair or suited connectors if your opponant has at least as much in his stack. Therfore your mistake was not a mistake at all.

[ramjam]

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Did I play the hand wrong? The AA guy was convinced that I did.

[/ QUOTE ]

Broker and bernie seem rightly to think you didn't.

As I recall you noting in some of your previous posts, a lot of the chat that passes at that particlar UB table is needling and whining more suited to an elementary school playground. Don't let it get to you.

Regards

[ValleyDoc]

Could you say more or better yet give me a reference for the % of stack theory.

thanxs

[Lurker]

By calling here you take about a 8:1 shot at flopping your set. As long as you and your opponent have enough chips in front of you to get you a better payoff than 8:1, you're fine. The implied odds are very important in nl/pl; we talk about stuff like this all the time in the NL/PL forum. Check it out.

[JohnShaft]

OK, I'm no PL/NL master and you're reasoning about having the implied odds if you outflop him with a set against his big PP are great, but...

You say "call a rock preflop who obviously had AA (or maybe KK) while I had 55. I figured if I flop my set I can bust him."

Knowing that he goes allin and you are doing the calling how silly would you have looked if he had had KK (and the flopped higher set)?

I wouldn't have been rubbing my hands with glee to see him go allin for 40 more when one of the two hands you put him on has you buried and drawing to one out...

[PETENORTH]

Good play T Diddy that guy is a moron, i'm glad you busted him