Kinda of ackward Ajo hand for me

sinfulslick18 · #1 06-13-2005, 04:22 PM

villians vpip is over 40. pfr is over 22

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (9 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

ZZZ · #2 06-13-2005, 05:10 PM

I raise the turn to put pressure on button. If 3 bet, I'm almost always folding. If it was just heads up, I would just call down like you did.

ZZZ

cdxx · #3 06-13-2005, 05:38 PM

i'm going to guess KQ or AK for the villain here. shorthanded Kx may be likely. with only 5BB on the turn the call is not justified to me. And since the river didn't improve you, the call down also looks weak. but i've been wrong frequently. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

will you post the results at some point?

Stormwolf · #4 06-13-2005, 05:48 PM

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I raise the turn to put pressure on button. If 3 bet, I'm almost always folding. If it was just heads up, I would just call down like you did.

ZZZ

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The only thing I dislike about the turn raise is the if 3bet you will be getting 11-1

sinfulslick18 · #5 06-13-2005, 05:57 PM

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i'm going to guess KQ or AK for the villain here. shorthanded Kx may be likely. with only 5BB on the turn the call is not justified to me. And since the river didn't improve you, the call down also looks weak. but i've been wrong frequently. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

will you post the results at some point?

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good reads tho..i might post the result..

-sinful

sinfulslick18 · #6 06-13-2005, 05:57 PM

i like the thought of the raise on the turn

-sinful

Anders_G · #7 06-13-2005, 06:08 PM

You can't fold the hand on the turn, therefore you should raise the turn. You charge as much as possible if BB is on a draw, you probably eliminate button and you can probably take a cheap showdown on the river.

EDIT: I would also 3-bet AJ preflop against villain since his raise is probably intended to isolate the fishy button

cdxx · #8 06-13-2005, 06:14 PM

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You can't fold the hand on the turn, therefore you should raise the turn.

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i went back to think about it, at first i thought fold is best, but i changed my mind. it's a pretty clear raise or fold situation on both turn and river. fold is not horrible, but a raise on the turn is much better. fold to a 3-bet. bet if checked and call if raised (fold is also not bad) on the river.

baronzeus · #9 06-13-2005, 06:15 PM

I put him on a J weaker kicker (K, Q, maybe even T)

StellarWind · #10 06-13-2005, 06:44 PM

3-bet preflop against Mr. 22%. Especially if you have a chance to remove the button but do it anyway.

The turn call is correct. Folding with outs and what could might be the best hand is much too weak.

Raising the turn to hammer the button has a superficial appeal, but consider that you are usually behind and very likely to be 3-bet by LAG SB. Now whatever you do you will take a big EV loss compared to just calling down because you still may be ahead and you probably have outs.

So what's so great about knocking out the button?

1. You don't even know that he plans to call.

2. You are usually behind in which case forcing him out costs you money. Your outs are hard to dominate because of your good kickers.

3. When you are ahead the button is rarely a big threat. Unless he has an untouchable draw like the flush or OESD, there is little that he can have against your jacks. You have an ace and the king is already here. A queen would be a problem but very often that loses to SB anyway. Most of the time you are ahead it is not a very big EV loss to let button pay 1 BB to draw to his hand. If you thought you were ahead then that would be different. But raising doesn't gain enough on the infrequent occasions when you are ahead to make up for the fact that you are usually behind.