Help the donk with check-raising...

HollywoodDB · #1 06-13-2005, 03:54 PM

No great reads. Button has only been around for about 15 hands or so, but his VPIP is 89% and he's been pretty aggresive. The other players are passive calling, but seldom raising. Whatever that is worth.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG folds, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

I thought seeing the A was a great card for a C/R, thinking the poor bastard with Ax would bet. But, with that same logic, would I be better off betting the turn and hope to get raised?

btspider · #2 06-13-2005, 03:56 PM

so, how did you know he had Ax when you checked the turn?

HollywoodDB · #3 06-13-2005, 04:01 PM

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so, how did you know he had Ax when you checked the turn?

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I guess my reasoning is not great for that, but with 5 people in I thought the chances were good that someone could have one. I guess my real question is check or bet. Maybe I am being results oriented.

JDErickson · #4 06-13-2005, 04:04 PM

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so, how did you know he had Ax when you checked the turn?

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I guess my reasoning is not great for that, but with 5 people in I thought the chances were good that someone could have one. I guess my real question is check or bet. Maybe I am being results oriented.

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Even though they have one doesn't mean they will bet it. Remember that. Ax with a small kicker routinely will just chk call it down

Jaran · #5 06-13-2005, 03:57 PM

I understand your reasoning, since Ax is a common limping hand at this level. Personally, I would rather bet out and hope it gets raised so I can 3bet.

-Jaran

karitek · #6 06-13-2005, 03:59 PM

I agree. I'd bet out, hoping to 3-bet. also I'd hate to see this turn check through.

bozlax · #7 06-13-2005, 04:11 PM

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I understand your reasoning, since Ax is a common limping hand at this level. Personally, I would rather bet out and hope it gets raised so I can 3bet.

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Don't you mean bet out and hope it gets raised so you can donk-bet the river, get raised and 3-bet, there? Not that that line would work so well when the board pairs on the river, but if that 2 hand been a, uh, 7? With the 2 falling you'd have to C/R the river.

btspider · #8 06-13-2005, 04:14 PM

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I understand your reasoning, since Ax is a common limping hand at this level. Personally, I would rather bet out and hope it gets raised so I can 3bet.

-Jaran

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Don't you mean bet out and hope it gets raised so you can donk-bet the river, get raised and 3-bet, there? Not that that line would work so well when the board pairs on the river, but if that 2 hand been a, uh, 7? With the 2 falling you'd have to C/R the river.

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no.. 3-bet the turn at that point. flush draws will fold the river when they miss and the board will be scarier and you may not be raised.

bozlax · #9 06-13-2005, 04:16 PM

I've got such bad FPS, today, it's making me sweat.

imported_The Vibesman · #10 06-13-2005, 04:06 PM

Looks like acey-deucey? Awesome for you if it was...bummer if it was a slowplayed set of 8's, 2's, or pocket aces played like a jerk...
I would just lead the turn, too much of a chance it will be checked thru, and you don't want to miss a turn bet with a set. The rest looks like what I would do.