Does anybody actually put this guy on QQ and fold in this spot?

DrFeelgoodRC · #1 06-13-2005, 11:21 AM

villies weak tight...not a big PF raiser at all so i thought he caught a piece of the flop with QQ..didnt see him raising with JJ...but when the turn comes do i just throw away my QQ read and switch it to JJ because it's too unlikely?

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter

MP1 ($40.55)
MP2 ($50.65)
MP3 ($54.25)
CO ($34.08)
Button ($51.25)
SB ($50.75)
Hero ($49.5)
UTG ($33.95)
UTG+1 ($44.5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB (poster) raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG folds, MP2 folds, SB calls $3.

Flop: ($11) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7.

Turn: ($25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $8.

River: ($57) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) we go all in 

Final Pot: $57

Results in white below: 
SB has Qc Qs (four of a kind, queens).
Hero has Ac Ad (full house, aces full of queens).
Outcome: SB wins $57. 

2 Questions

anyone ever folded to quads in this spot?

how often am i going broke in this spot...is it +EV to just push it every single time with that board even if i think QQ?

Scorpion · #2 06-13-2005, 11:26 AM

I don't think you can ever fold top full at these levels.

xorbie · #3 06-13-2005, 11:28 AM

He could easily have JJ and play it exactly the same. Or AQ. AQ + JJ = 4 combinations. QQ = 1 combination. You = +EV here.

unlucky513 · #4 06-13-2005, 11:29 AM

never folding this. ever.

djoyce003 · #5 06-13-2005, 11:32 AM

I really think you know the answer here. There is no way you can fold to the top full house to suspected quads...EVER. He has AQ, QJ, hell he could have the one card straight here and push...there are so many hands he has that you beat and only 1 that beats you. Doyle says never give them credit for a "set of 4" and he's right.

Snag · #6 06-13-2005, 11:35 AM

Why are you asking such ridiculous questions?

DrFeelgoodRC · #7 06-13-2005, 11:36 AM

good points

i got my answer

Irishfly · #8 06-13-2005, 11:37 AM

Type these letters into your chat after you showdown "Vnh". Rap your computer desk twice and buy back in. Never, ever lose any sleep over this one.

Da Fly

DrFeelgoodRC · #9 06-13-2005, 11:41 AM

no man i'm not losing any sleep

just wondering if you can ever figure someone for quads

djoyce003 · #10 06-13-2005, 12:29 PM

I've put someone on quads once, and I still called. I was right, but I figured it didn't really matter. He had 10 10, and I had JJ. The flop came something like 2 10 J. The turn was a 4 or something. Betting went nuts, I knew he had 10 10. River was a 10, I only called and didn't raise, but I knew he had the quads...I still called, you have to, it could be crazily played two pair just as easy.