Hand MBE didn't sweat #2

[Clarkmeister]

Same guy from HMDS#1.

Semi-tight passivish guy raises in LP. I defend BB with Kh9h.

Flop: 9d 7h 4s. Checkraise, 3-bet, call.

Turn: Kc. Checkraise, 3-bet, my action.

[SmileyEH]

I don't think you can be good enough against this player to call. Online I would probably never make this fold unless I had a lot of hands on the villian. Live, I'm sure your reads are better-I can't seeing him 3betting a worse hand here.

-SmileyEH

[mr pink]

i think the decision is between calling down and capping, not folding. am i wrong here?

[SmileyEH]

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i think the decision is between calling down and capping, not folding. am i wrong here?

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I just can't see how a passive player is going to 3bet one pair here. And he's not raising 97 so he doesn't have 2pair.

But i dont play this high blah blah.

-SmileyEH

[TBag]

That's a big laydown. I definately couldn't make it if it is in fact correct.

[private joker]

I'm not good enough to understand this hand. Heads-up I want to show down good hands, and top 2 is a good hand. If you were planning on folding to a turn 3-bet for fear of KK (or 99), then I'd prefer leading the turn and calling down a raise. If he's unlikely to 3-bet the flop with AK, then he's more likely to have a hand like AA, which you're still ahead of. I want to get 2BBs in on the turn with top 2, but I also want to show down. So I'd lead the turn, call a raise, and check-call the river in order to get him to keep firing with AA, and lose the least vs. KK and 99.

Since KK and 99 are stastically unlikely hands (made more probable with his turn 3-bet), I'm not fond of folding here. Clark might even have an image that he'd play JJ and QQ like this, and tight-villain could be coming around.

[nef]

Given your opponent, I think it is highly likely that you are behind. There is $820 in the pot and you need to call $80. You're a 10:1 dog in the most probable case, dead in the worst, and getting 10.25:1. This could arguably be a fold IMHO.

However, if this guy would get frisky and do this for a free showdown with AA a small % of the time or even be bluffing a small % of the time you should call. Its not likely a TP player would do this, but passive players at that limit can probably wake up and make a play every once in a while.

I guess you should call, and hope for
1) you hit a King and Have the nuts (win extra bets)
2) You hit a 9
3) He has AA, he checks behind, and YHIG
4) He was bluffing and gives up on river, and YHIG.
Otherwise check fold river.

Edit: My problem is I could call the turn with this plan and then when I don't improve I often call the river anyway because I can always justify to myself that he would bluff the 8% of the time or whatever.

[obi---one]

any plan that does not involve a showdown is dumb

[La Brujita]

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any plan that does not involve a showdown is dumb

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[Mike Gallo]

call and repeat the same action on the river except put in one more raise.

It does concern me that you called him a ... Semi-tight passivish guy passivish guys usually will not reraise a check raise with less then two pair.

Would he raise with 77 or 44 preflop? Obviously he would raise with KK. I cannot give him quads. If he has Kings thats poker. I go with my above line.