AK hits in an out of control pot

Fnord · #1 06-10-2005, 06:17 PM

UTG is kinda TAggy
BB is even tighter and also pretty aggro

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Fnord 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Fnord calls, SB calls.

Flop: (28 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Fnord calls, SB calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Fnord 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (24 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

A_C_Slater · #2 06-10-2005, 06:24 PM

I would not 3 bet the turn. UTG raise already reduces the field for you. I understand that you did not raise the flop because a raise there doesn't protect your hand, but UTG already protects your hand for you on the turn. I would just call the turn. Also, I don't think BB's overcall is all that bad. You may want his overcall and you can save BB's when behind to UTG and make the same when ahead dur to BB coming along with AQ or QQ, unless your intent was to get him to fold another AK?

Fnord · #3 06-10-2005, 07:24 PM

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unless your intent was to get him to fold another AK?

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He might also fold AA to this much pressure.

With a huge pot, I think it's worth the extra bet to try to win it.

A_C_Slater · #4 06-10-2005, 07:36 PM

I don't think he's folding AA. Maybe for 3 cold, but he already has one BB in there. He would hope you have two pair and call hoping to counterfeit in this large pot. And he would still call the river UI if its one bet or even two bets to him just in case you have AK or KQ.

drudman · #5 06-10-2005, 07:49 PM

I'm trying to decide what to put UTG on. His play is strange.

TAG raises UTG, then calls right after the PF capper on the flop, but then all of a sudden wakes up and raises the turn when a dud hits? I have trouble putting him on a monster that he's slowplaying, because he would have raised to protect on the flop (unless he's an idiot). But the turn can't have improved him.

istewart · #6 06-10-2005, 07:52 PM

He can't protect on the flop. He can't protect that much on the turn either, but he does cut down the odds facing the field.

sweetjazz · #7 06-10-2005, 07:54 PM

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I'm trying to decide what to put UTG on. His play is strange.

TAG raises UTG, then calls right after the PF capper on the flop, but then all of a sudden wakes up and raises the turn when a dud hits? I have trouble putting him on a monster that he's slowplaying, because he would have raised to protect on the flop (unless he's an idiot). But the turn can't have improved him.

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Ed Miller would be rolling in his grave right now, except that he's still alive.

drudman · #8 06-11-2005, 11:44 AM

So you're against trying to put him on a range of hands? Or even thinking about it?

damaniac · #9 06-11-2005, 12:21 PM

I think he means that raising to protect on the flop (which you said one of the players should have done) is nowhere near possible, given the pot size.

sweetjazz · #10 06-11-2005, 01:17 PM

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I think he means that raising to protect on the flop (which you said one of the players should have done) is nowhere near possible, given the pot size.

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Bingo. The wait-for-the-turn-raise suggests to me that UTG has AA, KK, AK, KQ, or KJs. That makes 3-betting the turn with AK a good play.