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Old 06-09-2005, 08:38 PM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default JJ on a TOUGH river

Villain is 36/14 with 25% go to showdown 75% win at showdown. Is this river a routine fold? Should I do anything esle different?

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MP ($49.5)
CO ($21.2)
Button ($59.47)
SB ($50.25)
BB ($45.4)
Hero ($94.4)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, Button calls $8.

River: ($28.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $10</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $38.75
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Old 06-09-2005, 08:58 PM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

BUMP, PLease, I get into this situation all the time. River is a super scary card. I check, villain bets big, I fold. Is this correct? SHould I make a blocking bet?
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Old 06-09-2005, 10:30 PM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

BUMP. For the last time. Someone please help me here. Im completely lost as to waht to do on the river.
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Old 06-09-2005, 10:37 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

why did you show weakness. most good players will take down that pot if you check an ace to them. bet bet bet
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Old 06-09-2005, 11:00 PM
Little Fishy Little Fishy is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

he didn't check an ace to them, he checked a 3
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Old 06-09-2005, 11:05 PM
Little Fishy Little Fishy is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

after the turn call it looks like you're behind. probably a flopped straight, two pair or set. I don't see anyone who beats aces calling that turn unless they're on a big draw ie open end straight or flush which they probably cuaght. after that turn call against a good opponent I'd check fold almost anyriver other than a jack. against a poor opponenet things change...
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

I lay it down. I think he probably flopped a flush draw with an Ace. You made it relatively cheap to draw to his flush so if he catches just respect it and go on. Without some really, REALLY good reads here I can't see you ahead after the turn. $10 is exactly the amount I would bet if I hit the flush and was trying to sell this hand.
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:01 AM
nietzreznor nietzreznor is offline
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

I cannot think of any hand you are ahead of here, so I probably fold as well. Though, if you think villain might bluff if you show weakness by checking, you could try a blocking bet (obviously folding to a raise).
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: JJ on a TOUGH river

is this really a big bet? 10 into ~30 pot. Looks like a value bet to me. I fold, but mainly because there is not much I can beat here that would make this bet. A bluff should expect to get called too often for 10...
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