AK flopped TPTK anyone find a fold here?

Mizzles · #1 06-08-2005, 06:35 PM

Typical aggressive PP 30-60 game, all are reasonable players w/ avg VPIP of around 22%. You may think I'm crazy for asking this, but does anyone find a fold on the turn here? Too many callers on this board for me hand to be the best... esp when SB cold calls 2 then bets out on the turn. Probability that someone flopped a set is high in my opinion.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $30.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (18 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (14 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (19 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 22 BB

etizzle · #2 06-08-2005, 06:43 PM

you are in trouble

bobdibble · #3 06-08-2005, 06:49 PM

I think SB has 99, 22, A9, or 9Tc.

I don't think I am good enough to lay down here though because that big pot brings out the inner donk in me.

spydog · #4 06-08-2005, 07:09 PM

If I didn't see the turn and river action then I would say 3-bet the flop. You have TPTK + backdoor nutflush draw. Why are you going into your shell so early? You can anticipate loads of callers on this flop because the pot is huge, but that doesn't mean you are up against a set.

Emoney · #5 06-08-2005, 07:14 PM

why didn't you 3-bet the flop?

BeerGolfPoker · #6 06-08-2005, 07:35 PM

Mizzles, you say in your intro that the SB calls two cold and leads the turn, but the HH indicates that he CR's the flop then leads. I'm gonna assume the HH is correct.

I think people are being too quick here to put the SB on a hand that beats Hero's. He could easily be CR'ing w/ AQs or AJs, a club draw, or another AK.

Is there a significant chance Hero is beaten? Certainly, with that many opponents involved. Still, Hero has TPTK w/ the backdoor nut draw and one CR from one opponent in an aggressive game isn't enough to make me slow down yet.

I probably 3-bet the flop. However, I am wondering about the alternative of just calling the flop and raising a blank turn card.

IMO folding is out of the question.

bobdibble · #7 06-08-2005, 07:59 PM

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I think people are being too quick here to put the SB on a hand that beats Hero's. He could easily be CR'ing w/ AQs or AJs, a club draw, or another AK.

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Looking at the hand more closely, you may be right. Originally, I thought villian was closer to hero and cr'd for value rather than to protect (a big-A should have cr'd to protect) It is hard to tell what the CR means because villian doesn't have any good way to raise to protect his hand. Was the raise for value, or to knock people out?

Given that we can't tell, making it hard to read the hand, I lean toward raising a blank turn.

stanky · #8 06-08-2005, 08:20 PM

I find a raise before I find a fold. I would of three bet the flop by just calling you really didn't gain enough info to be able to consider making a lay down on the turn.

SoBeDude · #9 06-08-2005, 09:36 PM

I think u need to 3bet the flop.

If he check-raises you again on the turn u dump it.

-Scott

AceHigh · #10 06-08-2005, 09:38 PM

You didn't ask, but I think you need to 3-bet the flop.