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Old 06-08-2005, 03:47 PM
BWillie BWillie is offline
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Default Should I lay down top pair?

.5/1 Royal Vegas (10 handed)

I just got to the table, so I have no real reads except on the button which is crazy aggressive if any of the flop hits him unless he has any kind of draw, he will be a call station.
BWillie dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop:SB posts .25. BB posts .50. 2 folds. UTG+1 bets. Hero raises. Villain 3-bets. MP3 folds. CO folds. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. UTG+1 folds. Hero calls.

(14 SB) Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks. Hero checks. Villain bets. Button calls. BB folds. Hero raises. Villain calls. Button calls.

(10 BB)Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets. Villain raises. Button calls. Hero 3-bets. Villain caps. Button calls. Hero calls.

(22 BB)River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks. Villain bets. Button folds. Hero calls.

Thoughts? Should I of 3-bet the turn given he bet out at me after my check raise?

Results
<font color="white"> Villain wins pot with 7h 8h. </font>
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:07 PM
Jaran Jaran is offline
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

I'm just calling the turn raise. Not sure about the river. I think it might be worth a raise, since you are only behind one legit 3betpf hand, unless the villian has been seriously overplaying QQ.

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Old 06-08-2005, 04:10 PM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

Hmmm...it's hard to think what you're ahead when you're raised on the turn. I'd just call the raise on the turn. The river is interesting, given you were capped on the turn it's hard to think that the Q helped.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:11 PM
PuckNPoker PuckNPoker is offline
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

Id bet the flop, Villian will probably raise which does much more to protect your hand than check raising (which just builds the pot).

Turn bet good, 3 bet not so good.

River fine. &lt;-- Edit, actually betting out here isnt bad, I didnt even notice the Q helped you lol, pretty much eliminates your kicker problem against AK or A9. AA,QQ,99,8x is all you fear, enough for a bet and call of a raise.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:11 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

I go into call-down when he raises me on the turn, with the paired board.

How do you come to have a read on the Button if you've only been at the table a couple of minutes?

Also, your results are screwed up. You gave Villan 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but the 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is on the board.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:13 PM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

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Id bet the flop, Villian will probably raise which does much more to protect your hand than check raising (which just builds the pot).

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If Villain raises your flop bet, what are the chances you're ahead here?
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

I might have just bet out on the flop here. I'm not real fond of checkraising on a drawish board like this with the other players trapped between you and the preflop 3bettor.

I'd just call the turn raise here.

On the river I would bet out and call a raise. I don't like checkraising here and paying off a 3bet.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

"crazy agressive" == maniac
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

I think I'd rather lead the flop here because (1) I hate the flop getting checked through, (2) I hate trapping the field for two with just top pair, and (3) I hate getting 3-bet.

Given your play, just call down the turn. What do you think villain is raising your flop check-raise with that you beat?
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: Should I lay down top pair?

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If Villain raises your flop bet, what are the chances you're ahead here?


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*If* villain were to 3bet your flop checkraise wouldn't you still be inclined to call to the river with this pot size??
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