Semi stop and go hand.. .what do you think?

[Karak567]

***** Hand History for Game 2170281188 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12891780 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Tuesday, June 07, 15:50:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 11744 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: gunnars ( $675 )
Seat 5: rickster1 ( $1090 )
Seat 8: reconnected ( $1400 )
Seat 10: Kongur ( $2240 )
Seat 3: sepher28 ( $985 )
Seat 9: Dominicco1 ( $215 )
Seat 6: crookie47 ( $485 )
Seat 1: bull50 ( $730 )
Seat 2: passpok ( $180 )
Trny:12891780 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 7s 7c ]
passpok folds.
sepher28 calls [50].
gunnars folds.
rickster1 calls [50].
crookie47 folds.
reconnected raises [200].
Dominicco1 folds.
Kongur folds.
bull50 folds.
sepher28 calls [150].
rickster1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 3s, 8c ]
sepher28 is all-In [785]

[schilling38]

I like it. You're not folding to a raise if you bet near the pot, and the flop looks safe.

[Phil Van Sexton]

There really is no reason to do this. Fold. This is fancy play syndrome.

[Karak567]

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There really is no reason to do this. Fold. This is fancy play syndrome.

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Point taken.

You think I should have not limped at all or folded to the raise PF?

[11t]

I fold preflop to the raise, I just dont like the chances of you being up against a higher PP that is gonna insta call you here.

Also I dislike the limp preflop, you are obviously playing for set potential but you are out of position and are in trouble if it gets raised (as it did) and you call (as you did) and this flop hits.

[jzieg2313]

I usually just fold this pre-flop. I stop limping for set value after the first two rounds. I also don't understand why you called the raise? Did you decide beforehand that if it comes low cards I am going all-in? I don't know, just seems like people who understand how to steal blinds well do not need to risk running into 99+ at this point.


JZ

[Karak567]

Yeah I did decide I was pushing any non-scary flop. I guess I am getting results oriented with these things because the last three times I've done this (including the one I posted) the villain has folded and I've taken down the pot.

Maybe I need to start throwing down my medium PPs on level 3 then. Leakage alert! :-P

[Phil Van Sexton]

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There really is no reason to do this. Fold. This is fancy play syndrome.

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Point taken.

You think I should have not limped at all or folded to the raise PF?

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Calling 15%+ of your stack with 77 and couple players left to act behind you is a pretty bad idea. I understand that you planned a Stop-go here. That's a bad plan, but at least it's a plan. To just flat call has no real value.

If you read my original level 3 post, I say that I don't make moves like this with an "average" stack. I'll take risks with a small stack or a huge stack, but this is just crazy. I think you also posted a stop-go on level 3 the other day that fell into the same category of FPS.

Your stack is fine. Relax.

[schilling38]

I see the people in this thread think it's not right to limp with a mid pair in this situation or call a raise from LP.

Would things change if the hand in question was 99, TT or JJ? Are you still dumping these preflop?

And forgive me for not understanding, but shouldn't a pair of sevens be good enough of the time to make the flop push correct? I think a read might help, if you know the villian is supertight and only raises 4x with AK, AQs, AA-TT then theres a good chance you're losing, but what if you have the villain pegged as a LAG, for example?

[junkmail3]

I think he's saying, you can limp preflop, and fold to the preflop raise.

Limping is 5%, calling the PFR is 15%.

And there is just no sense in pushing in this situation, you could already be a dog to an overpair (the raiser), or anyone else who's in the hand (I forget if anyone else is there).

Your stack is fine, and this is a sensless risk.