Live 3/6 - How bad is this flop 3-bet?

[casinogosain]

Live 3/6 at Trump, IN. Very loose, very passive game. I'm the only person that has 3-bet anybody at all - and nobody has noticed. If they put one bet in the pot, they'll put in 4. MP in this hand is a friend of mine and is the only one capable of making good folds. He also knows I am the only one capable of folding hands.

Preflop:
UTG limps, UTG+2 limps, MP limps, I raise with JT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG/UTG+2/MP call.

Flop (14 SBs): 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP raises, I 3-bet, Button folds, everybody else calls.

Turn (16 BBs): 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP checks, I check.

River (16 BBs): 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG groans loudly, SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP calls, I raise, everyone calls.

Final pot: 28 BBs

In retrospect, I don't know if I like the flop 3-bet. I managed to get the button to fold, which is all I was hoping for, but I really had no reason to think he would based on prior hands. After that, the turn check is pretty reasonable I think, as nobody is going to let me win this pot uncontested and my backdoor flush draw failed to materialize. Finally, the river raise is easy. Thoughts?

-Ash

[S_Perry]

Perfect. You must 3-bet this board, but not a board like KQ5 rainbow with a single heart.

[casinogosain]

Do you say this because my overcard outs may be clean?

-Ash

[S_Perry]

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Do you say this because my overcard outs may be clean?

-Ash

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I say that because you need to be the cleaner. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[sean c]

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Do you say this because my overcard outs may be clean?

-Ash

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I say that because you need to be the cleaner. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Your not going to clean up overcard outs with a flop three bet given the table read and size of the pot. That said I like the flop three bet buy the button take the free card and even without the overs you have quite a bit of equity(32%) and also with the table read its not likely to get capped and it will probably get checked to you on the turn.

[S_Perry]

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Do you say this because my overcard outs may be clean?

-Ash

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I say that because you need to be the cleaner. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Your not going to clean up overcard outs with a flop three bet given the table read and size of the pot. That said I like the flop three bet buy the button take the free card and even without the overs you have quite a bit of equity(32%) and also with the table read its not likely to get capped and it will probably get checked to you on the turn.

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How do you know what the button has?

[DrewOnTilt]

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Live 3/6 at Trump, IN. Very loose, very passive game. I'm the only person that has 3-bet anybody at all - and nobody has noticed. If they put one bet in the pot, they'll put in 4. MP in this hand is a friend of mine and is the only one capable of making good folds. He also knows I am the only one capable of folding hands.

Preflop:
UTG limps, UTG+2 limps, MP limps, I raise with JT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG/UTG+2/MP call.

Flop (14 SBs): 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP raises, I 3-bet, Button folds, everybody else calls.

Turn (16 BBs): 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP checks, I check.

River (16 BBs): 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG groans loudly, SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP calls, I raise, everyone calls.

Final pot: 28 BBs

In retrospect, I don't know if I like the flop 3-bet. I managed to get the button to fold, which is all I was hoping for, but I really had no reason to think he would based on prior hands. After that, the turn check is pretty reasonable I think, as nobody is going to let me win this pot uncontested and my backdoor flush draw failed to materialize. Finally, the river raise is easy. Thoughts?

-Ash

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3-bet this flop every damn time. You have lots of callers, a draw to the nuts, and no 4-flush is possible. Raise away.

[Siegmund]

In most games I wouldn't raise JTs preflop, but if it's a table of sheeple like you say, it's OK.

You have the top end of the possible OESDs, which will come in something like 31% of the time, and every flop raise is pulling in money from five people. Hell yes I raise, and I'm delighted if button stays in and/or somebody caps it.

Extra bonus that noone charged you to see the turn even though you were getting the odds for it almost no matter what happened.

It would take 2 suited cards on the flop neither of them matching my hand to make me even think about slowing down here.

[mtdoak]

I think your maximizing your chances to win by 3 betting this flop. In big pots like this, you need to be esp. agressive. If anyone with a hand like QJ or QT to fold, you have bought yourself outs.