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Old 06-05-2005, 02:26 PM
mannika mannika is offline
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Default 3/6 AQs

Same table as my other hand. UTG is loose preflop, 56/0/2 over 27 hands. BB is the villain from the other hand, he is 31/12/1 over 90 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (10.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

I'm thinking fold the flop? Fold the turn? Or is that too weak?
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

I fold preflop. I usually do against a utg raise and I'm not more inclined to 3-bet a player who haven't raised any of his 27 first hands.

I'm also folding the turn, but play the river like you did.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:08 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

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I'm thinking fold the flop? Fold the turn? Or is that too weak?

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The pot is too big to fol at the flop IMO. I'm folding the turn.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

Another strange hand. I probably would have played it the same way, but might have folded the turn. You may be beat even if you hit your card on the river. And BB's passivity is dangerous, especially when he raises the river. I would call the river figuring I'm beat.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

I'm folding the turn. UI
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

Fold the turn. Your outs are severely hurt by the 10h. Any Q gives a J the straight, and the Ah and Qh make a flush very likely. You just don't have the odds to continue.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

Yeah fold the turn, you barely have the odds to call and he could easily have your outs covered.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

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I'm thinking fold the flop? Fold the turn? Or is that too weak?

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The pot is too big to fol at the flop IMO. I'm folding the turn.

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What hand are you drawing to on the flop? It seems like despite the big pot we've got some huge reverse implied odds even if we hit an A/Q, as evidenced on this river.

We've got 3 outs against QQ, 3 against KK, 3 against AK. We're basically dead to AA, and JJ is slim to us, so let's assume they cancel off and we have 3 outs. But every hand that we're live to, we could hit our non-out card and lose alot of money. With reverse implied odds I'd be tempted to fold the flop.
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Old 06-05-2005, 03:58 PM
mannika mannika is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 AQs

Yeah, I agree with everyone else here that I should not have called the turn. I think at the time I forgot to discount flush outs and didn't really take into account the made flush. I think I gave myself 6 outs or something, which really didn't take into the account the chance that I was already beaten. What do most people think the play on the flop here is though? I can probably make an argument for all three options.
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