SB defense, too aggro ?

Trix · #1 06-05-2005, 09:29 AM

BTN is 58/23/3, 51 ASB for ~120 hands

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

ALL1N · #2 06-05-2005, 11:07 AM

Hey trix

Preflop I don't like doing this. QJs is definately strong enough, but it plays so much better 3-handed than HU. I guess it depends on how the BB plays as well as the button's tendency to showdown.

Flop CR is fine, especially because the preflop cap will make the guy more inclined to fastplay AA/KK/AQ/KQ here, meaning you face the pop while your equity is still strong.

Richie

danng721 · #3 06-05-2005, 12:46 PM

For SB defense, I generally want high card power. I'd be more inclined to 3-bet with an A2 than QJ.

However, after you made your decision, your play is fine - although I hate that river card. Can't think of anything that you could possibly beat (maybe overplayed Jacks or Tens, but that's a big maybe), but I'd call down anyways just to see what he had. Did you have a read on what range button caps PF with?

StellarWind · #4 06-05-2005, 03:31 PM

I play the same.

spydog · #5 06-05-2005, 03:50 PM

Unless villian has shown ability to fold the flop for 1 bet when he gets 3-bet on a steal I would just call preflop and check raise the flop if I catch a piece.

wheelz · #6 06-05-2005, 04:06 PM

Is it acceptable to semi-cold call out of the SB sometimes? I find myself with a lot of hands like these where I'd feel comfortable calling a raise, but uncomfortable 3-betting. Since I've learned to play with the 3-bet or fold mantra, I end up folding. I'm folding my SB too much though.

StellarWind · #7 06-05-2005, 04:12 PM

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Unless villian has shown ability to fold the flop for 1 bet when he gets 3-bet on a steal I would just call preflop and check raise the flop if I catch a piece.

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There is a strategic element here. Shania doesn't like people who only coldcall roughly three different hands in this situation. Not sure if this is your approach but I think it summarizes what some players do.

QJs has plenty of equity against someone who raises half his hands. QJs is a nice drawing hand but it still derives most of its shorthanded value from making one decent pair. Having BB in the hand and acting after us will not exactly be an asset.

3-betting is good.

wheelz · #8 06-05-2005, 04:13 PM

That answers my question.

spydog · #9 06-05-2005, 05:46 PM

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Shania doesn't like people who only coldcall roughly three different hands in this situation.

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What 3 hands are you talking about?

As a general rule, I don't think 3-betting this is better than calling. If your image is tight or strong, then I like 3-betting better. If the villian couldn't be arsed with your image (which is more likely), then calling and playing strong if you hit the flop is better, IMO.

Stefan_K · #10 06-05-2005, 05:56 PM

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I play the same.

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