Two Bottom Set Hands

Taciturn · #1 06-04-2005, 04:40 PM

How should I have played these?

Hand 1:
Villain was an unknown, virtually no stats on him. I obviously thought I was good on the flop. Should I have bet more on the flop/pushed the turn? The river was sort of a crying call.

Hand 2:
In this hand, due to stack sizes, the action, and villains stats, I was actually somewhat afraid of set over set. (Villain, UTG+2, is 19.35% VPIP, 5.21% PFR, 64.29% Won at showdown over 403 hands). I have never folded a hand, or even acted passively out of fear of set over set before -- but, due to stack sizes, stats, etc. I played this hand very passively.

Hand 1:
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UTG+1 ($230.6)
UTG+2 ($162.95)
MP1 ($211.15)
MP2 ($198)
MP3 ($296.85)
CO ($231.65)
Hero ($317.3)
SB ($213.73)
BB ($164)
UTG ($227.4)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $6, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $25, Hero raises to $45, UTG+1 calls $20.

Turn: ($102) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $75, UTG+1 calls $75.

River: ($252) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $65, Hero calls $65.

Final Pot: $382

Hand 2:

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MP3 ($195.75)
CO ($277.95)
Button ($199.9)
Hero ($481.6)
BB ($254.7)
UTG ($109.25)
UTG+1 ($198)
UTG+2 ($569)
MP1 ($197.45)
MP2 ($222.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets $7, MP2 folds, Button raises to $14, Hero calls $14, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 raises to $40, Button calls $26, Hero calls $26.

Turn: ($132) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.

River: ($132) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $25, Button calls $25, Hero calls $25.

Final Pot: $207

BZ_Zorro · #2 06-04-2005, 05:19 PM

Hand 1: Can't find a fault, you were out to extract the maximum value and you did just that. I like the flat call on the river with that board.

Hand 2: That flat call after the third flop raise got coffee spilt on my keyboard. I can understand your cautiousness against a good player who completely covers your deep stack. If your read was that good then so be it. I remember reading something from Brunson that said a good player should be able to get away from set over set. I'm not there yet.

Interesting post, looking forward to results.

Taciturn · #3 06-04-2005, 05:37 PM

results (in white):
 Hand 1: Villain had 8s9s. Hand 2: Villain had Jd8d