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Old 06-04-2005, 10:18 AM
1C5 1C5 is offline
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Default KQs on Bubble, do you call?

Ok, I call and win, I will have 3500 chips. If I fold I will have 1160 with the small blind taking out another 250 next hand.
Your move? (Party 22, bubble has been long, everyone has been folding so far).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t2315)
Button (t2210)
SB (t1815)
Hero (t1660)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t2315 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?
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Old 06-04-2005, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

Has UTG been stealing a lot? How does this play rank with his play thus far?
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Old 06-04-2005, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

I think you have to let this go.
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

Unless you think he can make this move with any pair, any ace, or any two broadway, I think you have to fold.
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

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Unless you think he can make this move with any pair, any ace, or any two broadway, I think you have to fold.

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With these blinds, I was assuming he would do that (as I would be doing that).
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:19 AM
dfscott dfscott is offline
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

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Unless you think he can make this move with any pair, any ace, or any two broadway, I think you have to fold.

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With these blinds, I was assuming he would do that (as I would be doing that).

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My mistake -- I thought they were 300, not 600.

ICM makes this a +0.8% EV call against a pushing range of 22+, A2+, KT+, QT+, JT+

Edit: corrected again -- I put in 600, not 500. At 500, it's still +0.6% EV at 22+, A2+, K7+, QT+, JT+
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

At this stage, 4-handed and everyone is chronically short-stacked, surely you're all on the steal, and maybe it's a pocket pair, but if he's doing it with any halfway playable hand you're probably ahead.

You've got straight and flush possibilities, and two good shots at top pair whereas he might be in with A-anything. I'd call, no doubt.
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Old 06-04-2005, 12:42 PM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

this is probably a very -EV call, but I make it anyway. If you fold you will be forced to push junk next hand with almost no FE, or even worse have someone behind you push and be forced to fold again.
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Old 06-04-2005, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

Very tough. Generally, I think it's a call, but if every has really been folding everything, there is a good chance it is -$EV this hand to call and a pretty fair chance you can get a fold next hand eventhough you will be offering good pot odds to the chip leader.

You gotta be right on the read though, because normally a pretty wide range of hands would have been pushed.
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Old 06-04-2005, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: KQs on Bubble, do you call?

I call this as the short stack, but fold with even a few more chips against a typical 109 player.

Against a 2+2'er, easy call.
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