Check behind with KK?

rmarotti · #1 06-03-2005, 01:11 AM

First orbit, no reads.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $15. Hero posts a blind of $15.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) checks, Hero (poster) raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks,

Check or bet and why?

Chairman Wood · #2 06-03-2005, 01:14 AM

I don't play 6 max or at these stakes but I am curious as to why no flop raise?

rmarotti · #3 06-03-2005, 01:18 AM

Thats just teh converter gargling. This is a full ring game. As for the flop call, I think i was making a fairly foolhardy attempt to wait till the turn and protect my hand. then a bad card came so I said "fcuk it" and raised anyway

Chairman Wood · #4 06-03-2005, 01:20 AM

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Thats just teh converter gargling. This is a full ring game. As for the flop call, I think i was making a fairly foolhardy attempt to wait till the turn and protect my hand.

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Well unless the converter is gargling pot size or players involved a flop raise will protect your hand here, oui, non?

rmarotti · #5 06-03-2005, 01:31 AM

Right. From gutshots anyway.

Chairman Wood · #6 06-03-2005, 01:33 AM

Anyway back to the orginal question about the river. I have no idea what average 15/30 players are like and their river calling standards but I bet here in 3/6. Lot of hands call you that you beat.

matmoeb · #7 06-03-2005, 01:34 AM

No kidding about preflop.....you shoulda raised, but now that there are several draws out, i think its best to check too incase some wise guy was tryin to slow play somethin.

Biloxi · #8 06-03-2005, 02:02 AM

any player with flush or straight wouldnt check it thru? why not bet it, they got scared when u raised

Jeff W · #9 06-03-2005, 02:14 AM

Raise the flop.

Bet the river for value: It is likely that you are good here and your opponents will call with a wide range of hands.

rmarotti · #10 06-03-2005, 02:26 AM

Ok, these responses are pretty much waht i expected. Does your answer change at all if BB is in as well, mimicking the SBs action? How about throwing UTG+1 into the mix as well?