I really wanted to get away from this

oscark · #1 06-03-2005, 12:27 AM

Party 15/30,full table, no HH

Loose player calls early. I raise next in with AJoff. Next player, a 14/3/1 over 100 hands, calls and so does loose player. Flop comes A78 rainbow. Checked to me, I bet, tight player raises, loose folds. What is your action? What is your plan for the rest of the hand?

Fianchetto · #2 06-03-2005, 12:33 AM

I'm taking this one to showdown.

Whether or not I 3-bet the flop depends on how much I respect him. If he is really tight, I probably just call it down.

Emoney · #3 06-03-2005, 12:35 AM

said tight player doesn't reraise AQ/AK? he wouldn't play A8 or A7 behind you. i think you're alright. take it to showdown and at least get the information on him.

Brainwalter · #4 06-03-2005, 01:59 AM

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3 is a pretty low PFR%, he might well not reraise them.

surfdoc · #5 06-03-2005, 02:10 AM

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said tight player doesn't reraise AQ/AK?

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3 is a pretty low PFR%, he might well not reraise them.

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100 hands

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Subfallen · #6 06-03-2005, 02:22 AM

What was the table texture? At loose tables this is probably a fold/limp preflop.

As is, floater's hand screams AQ to me, though of course AJs-ATs are possible. Neither set nor semi-bluff seem particularly likely...

A turn fold is probably too weak, but almost certainly not a big mistake.

Equal · #7 06-03-2005, 02:34 AM

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What was the table texture? At loose tables this is probably a fold/limp preflop.

As is, floater's hand screams AQ to me, though of course AJs-ATs are possible. Neither set nor semi-bluff seem particularly likely...

A turn fold is probably too weak, but almost certainly not a big mistake.

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Ed Miller, administer this guy 100 lashes!

Subfallen · #8 06-03-2005, 02:51 AM

Lol, yes, blasphemy I know. However, AJo does not play well multiway, and in a loose game the pot will be multiway---raise or no raise. Even worse, the biggest mistake your loose opponents make postflop is taking hands too far. By building the pot preflop you minimize these mistakes, maybe even making them correct play.

All I'm saying is you need a good chance of getting this HU for this raise to be all hunky-dory.

imashyboi · #9 06-03-2005, 06:23 AM

Yea, this hand depends on how the table condition is. If the table is loose with several players seeing the flop(3-4 players) I might just call or fold in this spot. AJo isn't really a hand you want to play upfront if you don't know how that action is going to be. If you were in the CO then its a definite raise but UTG3-MP3 consider calling/folding/raising if you can't get it heads up.

Just curious, how would you play ATs in this situation? Say if the table condition is fairly average with several players seeing the flop when there is no raise and only a few players(1-2) when there is a raise preflop. Are you making more money by getting more callers in the pot or raising to get it heads up with a loose player?