Two standard situations, party 10-20

mandrAKe · #1 06-02-2005, 08:11 AM

These two hands should be pretty standard. Still, I feel I play bad somehow here.

Hand 1 - CRd by BB on the turn in HU pot

BB is tightpassive, really passive postflop. I give him credit for atleast 2pair on the turn. Should I fold to the c-r? Is it a big mistake to call down? I keep getting lost in these situations.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Hand 2

Betting into me on the turn I really feel he has me beaten, probably by AQ. Still, I cannot find a fold. Anyone fold here?
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

The Truth · #2 06-02-2005, 08:14 AM

Both hands are the same, I think ya need to edit it.
Anyway, Hand #2 i would have folded preflop.
Any special reason you decided to cold call the raise?

mandrAKe · #3 06-02-2005, 08:18 AM

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Both hands are the same, I think ya need to edit it.

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Thanks, fixed it now.
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Anyway, Hand #2 i would have folded preflop.
Any special reason you decided to cold call the raise?

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The game was rather loose, a lot of coldcalling, and QKs felt like a hand I want to play in a big multiway pot. Incorrect?

The Truth · #4 06-02-2005, 08:28 AM

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Anyway, Hand #2 i would have folded preflop.
Any special reason you decided to cold call the raise?

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The game was rather loose, a lot of coldcalling, and QKs felt like a hand I want to play in a big multiway pot. Incorrect?

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Ahh that makes more sense. However, you are in poor position to play the hand out. KQs can only make 2 straights and a nonnut flush, so you will be playing it partially for is pair value of course, which could get dangerous with the utg raiser out. Also, what are the chances of it getting 3 bet back to you? What are UTG's raising standards?

I think if you drop back a few more positions and have some cold calling between you and the raiser, calling along is a better option, in this circumstance I release preflop.

as for post flop, Are there any reads to go on?

mandrAKe · #5 06-02-2005, 08:39 AM

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as for post flop, Are there any reads to go on?

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Naah, fourtabling, not much in pokertracker. He hasnt really made himself noticed.

The Truth · #6 06-02-2005, 08:49 AM

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as for post flop, Are there any reads to go on?

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Naah, fourtabling, not much in pokertracker. He hasnt really made himself noticed.

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Pretty standard then, you can't fold this here with no read.
To mix it up some you could raise the turn and then decide weather to value bet or take the free showdown on the river.

He might lead with a club draw. He might lead with QJ or AK putting you on a club draw and giving no free cards.

DcifrThs · #7 06-02-2005, 09:06 AM

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as for post flop, Are there any reads to go on?

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Naah, fourtabling, not much in pokertracker. He hasnt really made himself noticed.

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id cut down on the tables.

that call is very wrong preflop. on the turn it looks like he has a hand he wants to protect, i.e. a pair in case you're raising a draw of some sort. part of me wants to raise and fold to the 3bet or check behind on teh river...part of me wants to call turn fold river. part of me wants to call turn and river. if its possible he has AcKc i'd raise the turn for a free showdown. if his donkbet is definately a pair (which it looks like) AND he's reasonable (we dont know since you didn't tell us) then hes got 99-AA/AQ. but i'll tell ya its an odd line to take w/ AQ, when i raise AQ utg and get cold called and raised on teh flop im pretty damn sure the guy has exactly what you have there, KQ/QJ and i 3bet and bet both big streets, im called almost every single time and he's got the same hand every single time...and i wonder who's making those preflop calls w/ KQ to my UTG raise...its just not a good spot to be, so again, fold preflop.

in closing i think if you dont know him at all its an odd enough line that he took to call him down this time. so either raise it 1 time here ont he turn or call both streets...

-Barron