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Old 05-31-2005, 12:41 AM
MarzH05 MarzH05 is offline
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Default Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

People annoy me with these .5 raises. Sometimes I will call it with a hand I would usually fold in this position because it annoys me when people play big hands like this. Im not really sure how to play these big drawing hands. Should I have taken a free card on the turn?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($64.8)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 ($113.6)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($72.93)</font>
MP1 ($49.5)
MP2 ($30.1)
MP3 ($79.72)
CO ($46.75)
Button ($52.1)
SB ($48.5)
BB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($3.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, Button folds, UTG+1 calls $6.

Turn: ($21.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, UTG+1 calls $15.

River: ($51.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $51.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG+1 has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Hero has 6s As (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $51.75. </font>
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:12 AM
xcrack999 xcrack999 is offline
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

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People annoy me with these .5 raises. Sometimes I will call it with a hand I would usually fold in this position because it annoys me when people play big hands like this.

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Ok, I don't think you should be calling raises with crap hands just because they annoy you, especially in early/middle position. Anyway, onto the hand. Your raise on the flop bought you the free card, so take it.
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:45 AM
imported_anacardo imported_anacardo is offline
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

If I weren't in early position &amp; exposing myself to an easy reraise, I make this call quite a bit preflop. Another cold-caller in front and it's near 100%. It has nothing to do with annoyance; a minraise UTG like that is pleading to be stacked by a quality speculative hand.

Postflop, I agree with the above poster, barring a strong read that this guy will muck to the second barrel in a pot this large. Your play was successful; take the card.
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:48 AM
PoBoy321 PoBoy321 is offline
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

Depending on the table dynamic, the pre-flop call isn't too bad. I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the flop raise, but you really need to take the free card and check behind on the turn.
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:07 AM
JaBlue JaBlue is offline
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

check turn, check/fold river unimproved
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

I like the raise on the flop --- i might raise a little more tho to really try to push him off his hand or get all-in

once you are called tho on the flop I think you need to assume that you are beat and need to improve ... thus i think you need to check behind on the turn

getting to the river unimproved i would check/fold


btw: i think the pre-flop call is fine given stack sizes and position
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:24 AM
kevin017 kevin017 is offline
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Default Re: Flopped pair and nut flush draw.

yes check the turn. free cards are good when you're behind and drawing.

Just be glad you're not 'that guy' who gets a pair and a flush draw and think they're ahead and push ASAP. WTF? You are a slight favorite, maybe, and if someone is letting you draw for free, by all means draw.
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