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05-28-2005, 10:09 PM
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8/16 at Canterbury
The 20th hour of a 24 hour sessionat CP 8/16. The night started with Schneids, Bicyclekick and myself constantly rebuying until we are all in for at least 10 racks of yellow chips. I easily outplay both of those donks until they leave for the 30/60 game. (BK is the luckiest man alive, by the way.) I have dropped 7 racks (about 80 bets) and have been clawing back, when I get this little gem.
I pick up K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP and open raise. Button (passive retard) calls, SB (reasonable post-flop, but I've seen hims show down some turd hands,K5s, etc.; likes to c/r into pf raiser) calls, BB folds. Flop (3 players) (7SB) J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Check, I bet, button calls, sb c/r's [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img], I 3-bet, button CC's, SB calls. Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] check, I bet, call, call River: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB bets, I fold...... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 
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#3
05-28-2005, 10:36 PM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
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Very nice hand, folding is clearly correct. I can't put sb on anything that you beat at this point. [/ QUOTE ] AJ? AQ? I think is interesting... You are usually beat here, but some players (myself included) will often bet/fold a hand on the river that are planning to call a bet with, to add a little fold equity to their hand. This is an excellent play against tight opponents who pride themselves on making smart folds, as you did here. (EDIT: And note that this is a particularly good spot for this move, as the river is a scare card) I don't know if SB thinks enough to make this play here (you'd need to rely on your read), but I'm just pointing it out as something to be aware of. gm
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#4
05-28-2005, 10:52 PM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
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[ QUOTE ] Very nice hand, folding is clearly correct. I can't put sb on anything that you beat at this point. [/ QUOTE ] AJ? AQ? I think is interesting... You are usually beat here, but some players (myself included) will often bet/fold a hand on the river that are planning to call a bet with, to add a little fold equity to their hand. This is an excellent play against tight opponents who pride themselves on making smart folds, as you did here. (EDIT: And note that this is a particularly good spot for this move, as the river is a scare card) I don't know if SB thinks enough to make this play here (you'd need to rely on your read), but I'm just pointing it out as something to be aware of. gm [/ QUOTE ] You make an excellent point, but there is another opponent yet to act...it seems highly unlikely neither of them has an overpair beat on this board, but you never know.
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#5
05-28-2005, 11:26 PM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
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You make an excellent point, but there is another opponent yet to act...it seems highly unlikely neither of them has an overpair beat on this board, but you never know. [/ QUOTE ] You are getting 12:1, and it's not clear to me at all that it's that unlikely. The other guy could easily be chasing a flush draw, eg. Yes, you are usually behind here, but you don't have to be ahead very often for a call to be correct.
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#6
05-29-2005, 12:13 AM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
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You are getting 12:1, and it's not clear to me at all that it's that unlikely. The other guy could easily be chasing a flush draw, eg. Yes, you are usually behind here, but you don't have to be ahead very often for a call to be correct. [/ QUOTE ] I like this. Liam
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#9
05-29-2005, 11:47 AM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
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[ QUOTE ] Very nice hand, folding is clearly correct. I can't put sb on anything that you beat at this point. [/ QUOTE ] AJ? AQ? I think is interesting... You are usually beat here, but some players (myself included) will often bet/fold a hand on the river that are planning to call a bet with, to add a little fold equity to their hand. This is an excellent play against tight opponents who pride themselves on making smart folds, as you did here. (EDIT: And note that this is a particularly good spot for this move, as the river is a scare card) I don't know if SB thinks enough to make this play here (you'd need to rely on your read), but I'm just pointing it out as something to be aware of. gm [/ QUOTE ] You bring up some excellent points. There is indeed a small range of hands that sb will have that I beat. After playing more with him, I think it is possible that he is clever enough to donk-bet a river scare card. The button still to act caused a bit of a problem, but not much of one IMO. I figured he was on a busted heart draw. I'm still not sure how feel about this laydown.
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#10
05-29-2005, 12:53 PM
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Re: 8/16 at Canterbury
Your getting 12-1, although you might not win this one out of 13 times, you probably will sleep better if you call this down. When you add that in, I think you will win often enough so that this is a call.
On the other hand, most players at CP are terrible at value betting on the river, so if he made a straight, he wouldn't usually be able to checkraise, so he might have bet out, rather than risk the ckeckraise. I would call him, and say 'nice hand' when he turns over either J9, or QJ.
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