Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Internet Gambling > Software
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-26-2005, 07:58 AM
imported_bingobazza imported_bingobazza is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 171
Default programmer needed - will pay

Hi guys

I want a piece of software like 'fold em' that will auto fold my hands during play so that I can play more tables. It has been suggested to me that this software is illegal, but I have checked with Eurobet ( a party skin) and it isnt. Unfortunately, the guy who developed fold em isnt responding to emails and seems like a complete donk!!

However, now that I know this software is possible, I cant wait to start 20 tabling. Im willing to pay someone a decent wage to develop this software for me, or I can buy it from anyone who will put the time into developing it.

Cheers

Bingo
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-26-2005, 11:00 AM
OrcaDK OrcaDK is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 42
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

[ QUOTE ]
but I have checked with Eurobet ( a party skin) and it isnt.

[/ QUOTE ]

Elaborate please.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-26-2005, 01:51 PM
imported_bingobazza imported_bingobazza is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 171
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

I made a post here a week or so ago asking about an alternative to fold-em. I was told here that using this software could be detrimental to your bankroll, (confiscation) but I have an email from Eurobet saying that software add ons are fine, (except bot type programs) as long as you are over 18.

Just to clarify what I would like the software to do, as Ive had a few replies to my request for help. In short....everything that fold-em does, plus a little more. Foldem allows you to predetermine a range of hands from any position that you would like to play. All hands outside this range will be folded without human intervention. You have the ability to pre-save hand range templates for use on tight, loose, aggressive, passive tables etc, and can switch between them as the table demands it.

One additional feature I would like in the software is the ability to only see a table window when a decision is needed, and for that window to stay open until a decision has been made.

So, if you wanted to play ultra tight, and only see AA-TT 7OTB, then the table window would never 'pop up' when you are in that position unless you have AA-TT. When it does pop up, it would remain there until you decided what to do. Once the decision is made, it would vanish.

I hope this clears up what I am after....I can promise a decent hourly rate to whoever takes up this programming job.

Cheers

Bingo
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-26-2005, 02:05 PM
OrcaDK OrcaDK is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 42
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

[ QUOTE ]
(except bot type programs)

[/ QUOTE ]

That settles it.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-26-2005, 02:19 PM
sublime sublime is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Boston
Posts: 681
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

i dont care what euro says, its wrong. having software that tracks your opponents patterns (PT/GT etc) is one thing, having a program that does work for you is another.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-26-2005, 02:43 PM
Guthrie Guthrie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 471
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

Um, what you described IS a bot-type program.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-26-2005, 05:25 PM
Huxley Huxley is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 19
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

The distinction between what is "bot-like" and what is acceptable is bound to become a larger issue in the near future.

This is just a request for an "auto-fold" feature, with the added ability to make his own decision when it is not a mindless one. So he's asking for a software tool at the most basic level of machine intervention and i'm not surprised the poker sites don't object to its use.

With the prevalence of online collusion, and the real-time analysis capabilities provided to savvy players by PT, PO, Poker Academy, TTHM, etc., this isn't even the proverbial raindrop in the ocean.

Online poker lends itself to increased automation and the application of state-of-the-art AI technology (actually, its the perfect playground [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]). Serious players who refuse to recognize this are choosing a -EV starting point.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-26-2005, 08:00 PM
RedManPlus RedManPlus is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 175
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

"folded without human intervention"

** This is a bot. **

Correspondence saying "software add-ons are OK"...
Is extremely vague.

Why don't you post the email.

If this is actually OK with Party Poker...
I could have a "Pre-Flop Bot" done in a month or two.
(I have a full time trading business...
So it's not a priority).

Has Party ever posted a list or specific guidelines...
In terms of what software is acceptable?

My understanding is no.

If it's gray area stuff or banned...
Then you better spend a lot of time...
Designing "anti-detection measures"...
Such as running your Bot on a different computer...
Or running multiple virtual machines on one computer...
Programming random behavior into the Bot, etc...

Remember...
They take screen shots...
And can see exactly what you see.

I'd bet that most sites have Shill Bots...
Playing and filling out the tables.

rm+

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-26-2005, 09:08 PM
illunious illunious is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wausau, WI
Posts: 247
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

[ QUOTE ]

Has Party ever posted a list or specific guidelines...
In terms of what software is acceptable?

My understanding is no.


[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
7. Anti-Cheating Software.

We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence ("AI Software") to play on our site such as, but not limited to opponent-profiling, player collusion, cheating software or anything else that we deem enables you to have an unfair advantage over other players. You acknowledge that the Company will take measures to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using methods including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player's computer and you agree not to use any AI Software and/or any such programs.

[/ QUOTE ] link
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-27-2005, 02:00 AM
_2000Flushes _2000Flushes is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: En Route
Posts: 87
Default Re: programmer needed - will pay

[ QUOTE ]
Online poker lends itself to increased automation and the application of state-of-the-art AI technology (actually, its the perfect playground [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]). Serious players who refuse to recognize this are choosing a -EV starting point.

[/ QUOTE ]

So as automated programs become more feasible, bots become acceptable?

Come on, man. This isn't a matter of backwards-minded people who think zippers are evil, bots are illegal no matter how good they become.

-2kF
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.