"Just call down like a donkey" Thanks SSHE (No Content)

Nak · #1 05-25-2005, 12:28 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Nak is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Nak calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Nak calls, SB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

About ten hands later, there's a 4 with a 4-flush on board. SB starts in on me:

SB: "You gonna call down with 44 again nak?"
Nak: "Always"
SB: "Not afraid of the four-flush?"
Nak: "Never"
SB: "Just call down like a donkey"

Heh, I wasn't even in the hand. I love this game.

Nak

NateDog · #2 05-25-2005, 12:37 AM

I don't really care for the intital CC PF, so 'fold pf'.

Can I ask what chapter of SSHE tells you to call down with a baby underpair on a 4 straight/4 flush board? That one must have been forgotten in my copy.

irishpint · #3 05-25-2005, 12:42 AM

fold pf u have frickin' 44

Nak · #4 05-25-2005, 12:48 AM

Okay, here is the reference. SSHE p. 81

"Against A Raise ...
if three players have entered the pot (the raiser and at least two callers), also call with any pocket pair and QJs-T9s."

Nak

BatsShadow · #5 05-25-2005, 12:50 AM

I think Ed means two cold callers. But if the table is loose enough, I think I like your play. Not too sure about the post flop call down, but I don't really know what I would do either.

Nak · #6 05-25-2005, 01:02 AM

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I think Ed means two cold callers. But if the table is loose enough, I think I like your play. Not too sure about the post flop call down, but I don't really know what I would do either.

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Really? He doesn't say that. If anything two cold-callers makes my hand weaker doesn't it?

I'm getting 18:1 for my flop call. Implied odds are probably enough to draw to trips, but I also have backdoor flush and straight draws. On the turn, I pick up a flush draw and a gutshot straight draw (plus I still have outs to trips). Yes, some of these might be dirty, but I'm getting 11:1 on my call. Here is another reference.

SSHE p. 147-148 "Adjusting to Large Pots ...

3. Continue to draw even when you suspect you might be drawing dead."

Are we all reading the same book?

Nak

djg40 · #7 05-25-2005, 01:05 AM

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Are we all reading the same book?

Nak

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Yes, you are just being overly optimistic, that's all.

irishpint · #8 05-25-2005, 01:10 AM

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Are we all reading the same book?

Nak

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Yes, you are just being overly optimistic, that's all.

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yes, agree. Maybe it's just me, but I'd ditch this hand PF pretty quickly since every overcard is scary, a straight is possible, flush board...know when to make a stand/fight your battles. You got a GREAT flop (no real high cards) yet you still have no idea how you stand and are in constant fear of every card that falls.

milesdyson · #9 05-25-2005, 01:14 AM

I make this call with loose players behind me (which is often), and I like every street until the river. You have the lowest possible flush - I don't see you winning here enough to call. You're not calling the flop or turn because of your flush outs.

cmwck · #10 05-25-2005, 01:21 AM

PF I like to have two cold-callers before it gets to me.

flop: there's enough in that pot to draw to a full house alone.

turn: you still have two outs to a full house, but now have 3 more outs to a gutshot straight. 10:1 is enough to call again.

river: I don't understand the call. If you think you're beating MP1 more than 7% of the time, you have to raise to force a higher flush to fold.