bad position with low trips

swedeD · #1 05-24-2005, 06:01 PM

All comments appriciated! Fold at the turn or river?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 ($59)
UTG+2 ($113.6)
MP1 ($19)
MP2 ($159.83)
Hero ($98.5)
CO ($56.1)
Button ($18.5)
SB ($118.4)
BB ($94)
UTG :#A500AF(Villian)/ ($117.9)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG :#A500AF(Villian)/ calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($5.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Villian checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, BB calls $4, Villian raises to $8, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $4, CO calls $4, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($37.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Villian bets $25, Hero calls $25, CO calls $47.10 (All-In), BB folds, Villian calls $22.10, Hero calls $22.10.

River: ($178.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Villian bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $258.80

Results in white below: 
Villian has 7c 7s (full house, sevens full of eights).
Hero has 4d 4h (full house, fours full of eights).
CO has 9c Jd (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Villian wins $258.80.

theblitz · #2 05-24-2005, 06:43 PM

My reply is a bit result oriented. Please, don't post results together with the hand.

So .....

Considering he is UTG he must have something reasonable.

This is especially obvious on the flop where he checks and then raises after a bet and 2 callers. The mini-raise looks like a trap.
2 pair?
Possibly - but which?
Unlikely to be 7/4 since he played UTG pre-flop.
8/7 is far more likely as is the possibility that he has a set.
Other possibility is a straight (65s pre-flop).

When the extra 8 hits on the river then it is hard to think of a hand that you could be ahead of. I would doubt he would bet out with a straight on a paired board.

Of course, some of this is read dependant.

AllIn3High · #3 05-24-2005, 06:43 PM

I'd 3-bet the flop and call a push, if he has the straight - so be it (and you still have outs to fill up)

There is still a lot of people of in the hand and this board is pretty draw heavy and you really don't want to see a scare card hit the turn to kill your action / hand.

If you even consider folding this hand, do so after 3-betting the flop and getting re-raised all-in and re-evaluating your odds.

swedeD · #4 05-25-2005, 10:37 AM

thanks!!! I like this line! When I think about it, of course it's stupid to just call his reraise and give drawers better odds. thanks

subzero · #5 05-25-2005, 10:48 AM

When I play 44, I can't lay it down when I hit my set. I like re-raising the flop to isolate the villain and force out the other limpers (someone could be on a straight draw). If I can get all-in heads up with the villain, I'm happy. I'm okay with my set losing to an overset. I'll make it back in similar situations in the future.