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Old 05-23-2005, 01:26 PM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

5/10 NL.

Unremarkable UTG+1 ($1100) open-raises to $30. Tough MP ($1500) calls. I raise to $150 with my A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], since I don't want tough MP in the hand. UTG+1 calls, MP folds.

Flop:

Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

UTG+1 checks. I bet $200, UTG+1 calls.

Plan from now on?

EDIT: He's got $750 left, I have him covered.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:30 PM
LuvDemNutz LuvDemNutz is offline
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

Check the turn, call the river?
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

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Check the turn, call the river?

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That was my original plan but I changed my mind when I examined the stacks closer.

I want to get max value here if he has KK, whilst at the same time realising I can't really fold to his push on the turn.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:36 PM
LuvDemNutz LuvDemNutz is offline
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

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Check the turn, call the river?

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That was my original plan but I changed my mind when I examined the stacks closer.

I want to get max value here if he has KK, whilst at the same time realising I can't really fold to his push on the turn.

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SOME players MIGHT fold KK here if Hero fires a second barrel on the turn - depending on how weak-tight they are and how they view Hero.

Checking behind on the turn might look like a whiffed AK (or even JJ) so I don't think you lose that much value here unless an A hits on the river.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:41 PM
Yeti Yeti is offline
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

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Check the turn, call the river?

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That was my original plan but I changed my mind when I examined the stacks closer.

I want to get max value here if he has KK, whilst at the same time realising I can't really fold to his push on the turn.

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SOME players MIGHT fold KK here if Hero fires a second barrel on the turn - depending on how weak-tight they are and how they view Hero.

Checking behind on the turn might look like a whiffed AK (or even JJ) so I don't think you lose that much value here unless an A hits on the river.

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That's a good point actually.

Similarly, some players MIGHT call the reraise preflop with KQ and call you down here. I've seen it happen.

With say $1500, I can accept preferably betting and folding to a raise, or checking behind. But here the stacks are pretty short and if I bet here, I can't be confident enough that he wouldn't move in with KK.

I dunno. Obviously if the flop is KQx then it's a no-brainer check behind.
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Old 05-23-2005, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

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Obviously if the flop is KQx then it's a no-brainer check behind.

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Is that with the intention of calling a river bet?
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

Meh. If he has say $1500 you can bet this and fold to a raise.

However, considering there's $700 in the pot and he's only got about $750 left, I probably fire $400 and call if he pushes.
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

Given your strong read on the probability of his holdings ( I agree), I think the only play is to check the turn (unless its an ace) thus inducing a bluff on the river. If its a blank and he checks turn and river, bet the river.
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Old 05-23-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

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Given your strong read on the probability of his holdings ( I agree), I think the only play is to check the turn (unless its an ace) thus inducing a bluff on the river. If its a blank and he checks turn and river, bet the river.

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So you put your opponent squarely on top set or an overpair, and you're hoping to induce a "bluff" from him?
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: He\'s probably got QQ or KK and there\'s a Q on flop...

i bet this.

350-400 is good.

call a push.
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