Set of sevens

Jonathan · #1 05-23-2005, 09:37 AM

Hi All,
Here is an interesting hand that occurred
that generated some discussion at the table
afterward.

Villain is a tight, very aggressive player who has been
running over the table.

What do you think of the way I handled it? I thought that
smooth calling the flop earns me (at least) an extra big bet
on the turn. Does anyone else raise right here on the flop?

Suerte,
Jonathan

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50
BB

crunchy1 · #2 05-23-2005, 09:52 AM

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Villain is a tight, very aggressive player who has been running over the table... ...I thought that
smooth calling the flop earns me (at least) an extra big bet
on the turn. Does anyone else raise right here on the flop?

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This makes me want to wait until the turn as well. I suppose that you were pretty confident that he'd lead the turn again - against those players I like waiting.

The really horrible part of this hand is:

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Here is an interesting hand that occurred that generated some discussion at the table afterward.

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Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that you were part of this discussion. But this sounds really, REALLY bad to me. Don't table talk - especially online. Especially in terms of discussing how/why a particular hand was played.

Possibly I'm assuming/reading-into too much about this comment. But, if my assumptions are correct, then you need to reevaluate why you're giving other players at the table insight into your strategies.

Kristian · #3 05-23-2005, 10:48 AM

I play it the same way.

krishanleong · #4 05-23-2005, 10:51 AM

There are times when slowing down on the river and not capping is the right thing to do. I don't think this is one of those spots, but it's close.

Krishan

jskills · #5 05-23-2005, 10:56 AM

I can't think of a better way to play this hand. The flop is not threatening for you so smooth calling with the intention of raising the turn is a perfect plan.

I guess I don't mind the river cap - some might say just call it. You're beaten by JK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AA, AT, and AQ.

I'm hoping he's playing AK, but the way the river went, it seems like he's holding AK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or hopefully not one of the above hands. AT is certainly not a 3-betting hand preflop, but some people do it with AQ.

crunchy1 · #6 05-23-2005, 11:49 AM

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AT is certainly not a 3-betting hand preflop, but some people do it with AQ.

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Re-read the action. Hero open-raised on the button. SB's 3-betting range could be pretty large here versus a probable steal raise.

Jonathan · #7 05-23-2005, 11:49 AM

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The really horrible part of this hand is:

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Here is an interesting hand that occurred that generated some discussion at the table afterward.

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Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that you were part of this discussion. But this sounds really, REALLY bad to me. Don't table talk - especially online. Especially in terms of discussing how/why a particular hand was played.

Possibly I'm assuming/reading-into too much about this comment. But, if my assumptions are correct, then you need to reevaluate why you're giving other players at the table insight into your strategies.

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You are absolutely right!!

In this case, I could not resist complimenting my oppenent
on his "nice catch", and his comment was that I played my
set "weakly". I didn't really respond to this at all
and let it drop at that. But I did not think that I played
them weakly at all, which is why I posted the hand for
comments.

But you are right....I should never have said even a word!
Thanks for reminding me.

Suerte,
Jonathan

crunchy1 · #8 05-23-2005, 11:51 AM

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In this case, I could not resist complimenting my oppenent
on his "nice catch", and his comment was that I played my
set "weakly". I didn't really respond to this at all
and let it drop at that.

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This certainly isn't the end of the world. I prefer "nice hand" but whatever.... The main point is that you let it drop after that and didn't get into discussing why you played it weak - which is what your OP sounded like when you used the word "discussion".

sfcard · #9 05-23-2005, 11:54 AM

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AT is certainly not a 3-betting hand preflop, but some people do it with AQ.

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Re-read the action. Hero open-raised on the button. SB's 3-betting range could be pretty large here versus a probable steal raise.

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I completely agree with this. I think capping is a mistake. What are you putting him on that he would lead out and three bet?

Card

Jonathan · #10 05-23-2005, 11:59 AM

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I guess I don't mind the river cap - some might say just call it. You're beaten by JK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AA, AT, and AQ.

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You missed QQ, which is what he showed down.

I think that there are much a larger range of hands here
like most flushes, that he would play this way and pay me
off on. I think failing to cap gives up EV.

Did anyone else think that I should simply call the river bet out of fear of being beaten here?

Suerte,
Jonathan