Should I be calling to eliminate a player?

[Blindcurve]

Here's a couple situations from a Party $33 Limit Tourney:
The first one is seems like a relatively easy fold to be but I'm wondering if I should see the flop.



200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 12454402) - Mon May 23 07:45:54 EDT 2005
Table $3,000 guaranteed(342981) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button

Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: blkturbo996 (850)
Seat 2: paxtonquigly (935)
Seat 3: Blindcurve (3385)
Seat 4: madprodigy (3025)
Seat 5: dedor (1390)
Seat 6: okie2525 (5984)
Seat 8: Beebles (3980)
Seat 9: joshkoz (8328)

paxtonquigly posts small blind (100)
Blindcurve posts big blind (200)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Blindcurve [ 3h, 2d ]
madprodigy folds.
dedor folds.
okie2525 folds.
Beebles folds.
joshkoz folds.
blkturbo996 folds.
paxtonquigly raises (300) to 400
Blindcurve ??


Here, he's only got 500 more, I have to hit to win and he has to totally miss. Also, he might have a pair and everything beats me. It's a total muck against a pair, but against something like AT or KQ?


This second hand seems a little harder to judge:


300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 12454402) - Mon May 23 08:02:09 EDT 2005
Table $3,000 guaranteed(342981) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: blkturbo996 (900)
Seat 3: Blindcurve (2785)
Seat 4: madprodigy (800)
Seat 5: dedor (1540)
Seat 6: okie2525 (3144)
Seat 7: bbeamer777 (9685)
Seat 8: Beebles (7930)
Seat 9: joshkoz (9128)
Seat 10: Strykis (3384)

blkturbo996 posts small blind (150)
Blindcurve posts big blind (300)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Blindcurve [ Td, 7c ]
madprodigy raises (600) to 600
dedor folds.
okie2525 folds.
bbeamer777 folds.
Beebles folds.
joshkoz folds.
Strykis folds.
blkturbo996 folds.
Blindcurve ??

Should I be thinking "I have two live cards lets race for 200 more?" Or just let him pickup my blind?

Comments?

-D.

[AlcateL]

i'd call the 2nd and fold the first? unless i'm judging it completely wrong?

I'm on the final table in that tourny now, sweat with me guys, any comments would be appreciated=]

[AlcateL]

32215 at third break. marginal chip leader 6 left

[AlcateL]

came outsecond, kk got schooled by qj =[

[Blindcurve]

Nice. I busted out 5 off the money, so I clearly need help. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But nice for you..

[kingele]

hey some familiar faces.

I finished 3rd behind you, you kept stealing my BB from the SB. This was only my 3rd limit holdem tournament so I wasn't sure how to deal with this in limit play. I lost over half my stack when I rereaised you before the flop with J6 offsuit and you hit a queen on the turn with your Q8 in an attempt to stop you from doing this.

[CardSharpCook]

you are not calling "to eliminate a player" you are calling because you are getting sweet odds. And yes, fold the first, call the second.