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Old 05-21-2005, 12:30 PM
Nybster Nybster is offline
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Default 2 strong first hands of 50+5

Hi, this is the 2 very first hands in a sng facing allin bets on the flop? what should I have done differently?

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***** Hand History for Game 2082712531 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:12400413 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, May 21, 12:17:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 11055 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: GSW_JR23 ( $1000 )
Seat 2: Kristanx ( $1000 )
Seat 3: postal77 ( $1000 )
Seat 5: Plumber1721 ( $1000 )
Seat 8: armentonic ( $1000 )
Seat 9: EJEFFERSON ( $1000 )
Seat 10: NewNovice ( $1000 )
Seat 7: RAIDERSTORM ( $1000 )
Seat 4: NyPerk ( $1000 )
Seat 6: FinnishFlash ( $1000 )
Trny:12400413 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NyPerk [ Qd Ah ]
NewNovice calls [15].
GSW_JR23 folds.
Kristanx calls [15].
postal77 folds.
NyPerk raises [60].
Plumber1721 folds.
FinnishFlash folds.
RAIDERSTORM folds.
armentonic folds.
EJEFFERSON calls [45].
NewNovice calls [45].
Kristanx calls [45].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, Qc, 4h ]
EJEFFERSON checks.
NewNovice checks.
Kristanx bets [45].
NyPerk raises [150].
EJEFFERSON is all-In [940]
NewNovice folds.
Kristanx folds.
NyPerk folds.
EJEFFERSON does not show cards.
EJEFFERSON wins 1385 chips

Hand no.2


***** Hand History for Game 2082717072 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:12400413 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, May 21, 12:19:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 11055 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: GSW_JR23 ( $1000 )
Seat 2: Kristanx ( $895 )
Seat 3: postal77 ( $1000 )
Seat 4: NyPerk ( $790 )
Seat 5: Plumber1721 ( $1000 )
Seat 6: FinnishFlash ( $1000 )
Seat 7: RAIDERSTORM ( $1000 )
Seat 8: armentonic ( $990 )
Seat 9: EJEFFERSON ( $1385 )
Seat 10: NewNovice ( $940 )
Trny:12400413 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NyPerk [ Ks Kc ]
GSW_JR23 folds.
Kristanx folds.
postal77 folds.
NyPerk raises [75].
Plumber1721 calls [75].
FinnishFlash folds.
RAIDERSTORM calls [75].
armentonic folds.
>You have options at Table 16929 Table!.
EJEFFERSON folds.
NewNovice calls [60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, As, 8s ]
NewNovice checks.
NyPerk checks.
Plumber1721 is all-In [925]
RAIDERSTORM folds.
NewNovice folds.
NyPerk folds.
Plumber1721 does not show cards.
Plumber1721 wins 1235 chips


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Old 05-21-2005, 12:54 PM
Madd Madd is offline
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Default Re: 2 strong first hands of 50+5

I'd fold both hands, too.

In the 50s, TPTK is usually no good after a bet, a raise and a reraise all-in.

The second one hurts because you probably have 11 outs and you only have to put up 715 to win 1740. That's close, nevertheless a fold in my book although you have the pot odds.
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:58 PM
liucipher liucipher is offline
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Default Re: 2 strong first hands of 50+5

DISCLAIMER: I play $11s and not even those so well.

Hand 1: I think you probably should have raised more preflop. Note that in the second hand you open raised to 75 and still got action. Popping to 60 with another 30 already in the pot and a slightly cheaper admissions price to those two limpers is going to let more mediocre holdings in.

That's problematic on the flop because it makes QT or 44 a real possibility. However, given (1) how deep the stacks are and the possibility of extracting more chips from you and (2) how relatively uncoordinated that flop is, I think QT, TT, or 44 play it slower. The kind of hand that pushes with a raise/reraise in front of him probably does not have you beat (with the exception of AA or KK that wants to shut the action down, but those hands tend to raise preflop). I'd imagine in a $55 you see a lot of foolishness like this with people banking on the fact that no one wants to bust on the first hand. I call and start up another one when I get sucked out on by KQo.

Hand 2: Fold. That push means some AX w/o a spade wants to take that sucker down. You're drawing to the nutflush, but I personally don't think it's worth it given how few outs you have if he holds the ace.
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:02 PM
Nybster Nybster is offline
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Default Re: 2 strong first hands of 50+5

Yeah the second one was tough, do you think I should have bet first? or was it right to check on the flop?
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: 2 strong first hands of 50+5

Personally, I would have bet a little bit more preflop, but ok.
Given that there already is more than 300 in the pot you'd have to make a bet which would pot-commit you. It might make an ace call or fold, but you can't be sure about this. I think you played it fine.
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