Thoughts on line 5/10 6max party

Twentysack · #1 05-20-2005, 07:01 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

UTG ($870.5)
Hero ($603)
SB ($1443.5)
BB ($1000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold, BB raises to $30, Hero calls $30.

Villian had just sat down so no reads, but i thought he could be raising with a wide range of hands. I had position on him so i called.

Flop: ($85) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $45, Hero raises to $100, BB calls $55.

I thought that raising too much would have been overdoing it since the same hands were going to call. If it was just a follow up bet then he would fold anyways. His bet did seem a bit weak and i thought i was going to take it down right there. But he called, Im thinking big ace, AK,AQ, maybe AJ?

Turn: ($285) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
I didn't want to get check raised and blown off my hand so decided to go for the free card.

River: ($285) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $95, Hero raises to $190, BB calls $95.

Now heres where my play was debatable.... am i missing out on value? Am i opening myself up to a bigger raise? I just thought it would be the best way to get money from a hand like AJ or AK or so. Comments greatly appreciated.

Final Pot: $665

soah · #2 05-20-2005, 07:25 PM

What are you trying to represent with a flop raise, given that you had open-limped on the button?

Tony.T · #3 05-20-2005, 08:05 PM

Ace maybe?

freemoney · #4 05-20-2005, 08:37 PM

22 and ace with nut flush draw are all real possible here.

thatpfunk · #5 05-20-2005, 08:40 PM

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ace with nut flush draw are all real possible here.

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Hero is limping on the button with Ax after its been folded to him in a 6max game? Doubt that one.

Tony.T · #6 05-20-2005, 08:43 PM

Why? Does'nt it depend on our heros style of play and table image?

Imperial · #7 05-21-2005, 01:22 AM

Bet the turn here 100% of the time unless he's a callingstation. You want to take it down right here, the flushdraw should just be backup.. If he raises, you give him credit for a very good hand and fold unless you have odds to call.

Twentysack · #8 05-21-2005, 02:20 AM

I agree about trying to win the hand on the turn, but against the range of hand i didn't i was going to get a fold out of him. Comments on the river play?

creedofhubris · #9 05-21-2005, 03:12 AM

I don't like open-limping 54s. Raise it or fold it.

Flop raise fihne. If he reraises you on the flop, are you prepared to move in? Turn check is good too. He's got an ace and he's not folding.

On the river, I tend to hate minraises. I think you could've raised more, to $300 say, which will probably get the same crying calls and lets you fold to a reraise.

fisherman112 · #10 05-21-2005, 03:24 AM

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Bet the turn here 100% of the time unless he's a callingstation. You want to take it down right here, the flushdraw should just be backup.. If he raises, you give him credit for a very good hand and fold unless you have odds to call.

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this is not at all correct. hero has a very strong drawing hand that wants to see a river but is definitely not getting a fold out of villain. if villain had flopped a set and decided to get tricky and c/r the turn, hero has just been blown off a chance to stack him if he hits his straight and take down a nice pot if he hits his flush.
checking the turn is the superior move IMO, although occassionally betting this hand is correct.