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Old 05-20-2005, 02:36 AM
SpaceAce SpaceAce is offline
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Default Good, bad, ugly or a delightful melange of all three?

Assume no reads except that the villain is aware of the concept of stealing blinds.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

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Old 05-20-2005, 02:39 AM
wrto4556 wrto4556 is offline
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Default Re: Good, bad, ugly or a delightful melange of all three?

For some reason I dont like these. They hardly ever work...this is a small pot, too.

Having said that, I don't know how else to play it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Maybe C/r the flop to see if your T is good.
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: Good, bad, ugly or a delightful melange of all three?

This play is +EV compared to folding, but is marginally -EV compared to checking and calling if you don't have any folding equity. Another concern is that you will probably get 3-bet on this board far more often then you will fold out a hand like Q8.

In this spot, I think that it is close between check/calling and bet/call with the latter being used as a setup play for those times that I bet/3-bet the turn with a strong hand. It also sets you up for a river c/r if you hit one of your many outs (not to mention it will sometimes pick up the pot right there).

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Old 05-20-2005, 04:43 AM
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Default Re: Good, bad, ugly or a delightful melange of all three?

Say you have 30% pot equity right now. Therfore the EV of calling is 30% of the subsequent pot, or 1.5BB. So calling nets you an EV of .5BB.

Now if you raise you are putting in 2BB with still 30% pot equity of a 7BB pot for a net EV of .1BB (2.1BB - 2BB). Therefore if your oppoenent never folds you lose .4BB raising instead of calling.

However, if he folds you win 4BB. You need to make up a .4BB difference so if your opponent folds more than 10% of the time raising is preferable.

While this analysis is extremely simplistic I think it shows that raising here is IMO more profitable than calling.

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Old 05-20-2005, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: Good, bad, ugly or a delightful melange of all three?

Thanks for the replies. I've decided that, for a variety of reasons, I like my turn raise. I liked it when I did it, then I wasn't so sure and now I'm back to liking it again. In case anyone is curious, my opponent tanked for a while then folded.

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