preflop query

YoureToast · #1 05-19-2005, 09:16 PM

you have JJ on the button...14/9 MP raises the blind; 16/10 cutoff reraises....do you call, raise or fold?

Justin A · #2 05-19-2005, 09:22 PM

Raise.

YoureToast · #3 05-19-2005, 09:23 PM

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Raise.

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is it close?

Justin A · #4 05-19-2005, 09:28 PM

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Raise.

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is it close?

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It's not that close in the specific situation you describe. If these guys aren't complete morons, they should have a fairly wide range of hands for an open raise in the hijack and a CO 3bet.

If it was a UTG raise and an MP 3bet with these stats, then it would be close.

AceHigh · #5 05-19-2005, 10:22 PM

Folding is a mistake. Calling and raising are close, I like raising if decent chance MP will fold to preflop cap.

ipconfig · #6 05-20-2005, 02:39 AM

I would cold call or fold. Someone said earlier in this thread they raise a range of hands. I agree and considering 3way flop you will have to fold to anything Q+

RunningSixes · #7 05-20-2005, 04:21 AM

Postflop play of the other two players is a bit of a factor here. If they tend to give up somewhat easily after the flop then i like a cap. If they will take A-high to the river vs. a capper then i like calling the 3 bet.

some benefits to calling:
-you get to see if the original raiser caps
-you can raise safe flops to force original raiser to call 2 cold on the flop
-your hand is somewhat disguised and you may get excess action from TT/99 (which might just go into call down mode if you cap)

downside to calling:
-there could be sometimes when you fold the best hand on a Axx type of board
-may miss out on some preflop equity

YoureToast · #8 05-20-2005, 08:31 AM

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I would cold call or fold. Someone said earlier in this thread they raise a range of hands. I agree and considering 3way flop you will have to fold to anything Q+

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this is why I folded...but I wasn't sure if I was just being a puss.
to me, TT is a clear fold and QQ is a clear call/raise....JJ just has too many ways to mess with you on the flop against 'most' tight 3-betters.

AceHigh · #9 05-20-2005, 12:25 PM

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you will have to fold to anything Q+

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Not if they fold first.

ike · #10 05-20-2005, 12:44 PM

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If it was a UTG raise and an MP 3bet with these stats, then it would be close.

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No, it would be a clear fold. You're horribly dominated a huge percentage of the time and never ahead by much.