Huge pot with QJs

pauliewalnuts · #1 05-19-2005, 03:54 PM

Before I get to the hand, I thought I'd briefly say a few things about myself since this is my first post. I started playing poker on internet last fall. I think it was October. I played the $5 and $10 SNGs on party and proceded to lose about $400 over the span of a few months. I discovered these forums in late December. I realized that I didnt realy know what I was doing. I was already pretty discouraged about losing $400, since that is a lot of money to a poor college kid. But I started to read posts and ordered SSH a few weeks later. I decided that I after I had read that book, that I would give poker one more shot. I deposited once more for the party reload in January and began my limit career at .50/1.00. And I havent looked back since. Ive quite pleased with how I've done. When I first came here I dreamed of actually making money doing something I loved like so many of you. So now, 3.5 months, some 40,000 hands and about $4500 later, I'm at 2/4. I've certainly got the roll to move up, but I'm not quite ready to leave it yet. I've still got a long way to go though to be a truly good player. Anyway, I hope to become an active part of this community. Thanks for helping me along the way. On to the hand.

Normally, I'd bet this flop everytime, but thought I'd take the opportunity to see how much everyone liked their hand.I was absolutely lost on the turn in this hand. With this large of a field, I could already be drawing dead or my potential spade on the river could fill someone up. Plus, I wouldve really hated if someone 3bet behind me after I called two. Thoughts? Also, who 3bets this PF with such a big field?

MP3 is 40/8/.5 after about 50 hands
Button is 31/1/.7 after 30.
Only had a few hands on other villians.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (19 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero ??????

meep_42 · #2 05-19-2005, 03:57 PM

Call, this pot is huge and i've seen nothing to indicate that anyone has TT/44. The turn bettors more likely have a 3 or T. I'm not going nuts on the river with a spade, though.

-d

Fat Nicky · #3 05-19-2005, 04:19 PM

pot is wayyyyyy to big to fold.

pokerstudAA · #4 05-19-2005, 04:45 PM

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Before I get to the hand, I thought I'd briefly say a few things about myself since this is my first post.

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Weclome to the forums.

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I started playing poker on internet last fall. I think it was October. I played the $5 and $10 SNGs on party and proceded to lose about $400 over the span of a few months. I discovered these forums in late December. I realized that I didnt realy know what I was doing. I was already pretty discouraged about losing $400, since that is a lot of money to a poor college kid. But I started to read posts and ordered SSH a few weeks later. I decided that I after I had read that book, that I would give poker one more shot. I deposited once more for the party reload in January and began my limit career at .50/1.00. And I havent looked back since. Ive quite pleased with how I've done. When I first came here I dreamed of actually making money doing something I loved like so many of you. So now, 3.5 months, some 40,000 hands and about $4500 later, I'm at 2/4. I've certainly got the roll to move up, but I'm not quite ready to leave it yet. I've still got a long way to go though to be a truly good player.

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Your story sounds very familiar. I think that goes for many that are around here. Right? ??

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Anyway, I hope to become an active part of this community. Thanks for helping me along the way.

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On to the hand.

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These other guys will help you with that [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Oh yeah, dont fold that flush draw.

CallMeIshmael · #5 05-19-2005, 04:56 PM

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Call, this pot is huge and i've seen nothing to indicate that anyone has TT/44. The turn bettors more likely have a 3 or T. I'm not going nuts on the river with a spade, though.

-CMI

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Tapin · #6 05-19-2005, 05:20 PM

Definite call, you're tied to the pot after it's capped six ways on the flop.

Having said that, I'm not a big fan of the check/call/cap line. You said you'd normally lead in that spot, I'd have to agree with that.

pauliewalnuts · #7 05-19-2005, 09:13 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (19 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (29 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Button raises, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 35 BB

Telfair2Zbo shows [ 3h, Ah ] three of a kind, threes.
CPBandit doesn't show [ Ac, Th ] two pairs, tens and threes.
Rosesjr07 doesn't show [ Jc, Tc ] two pairs, tens and threes.
Telfair2Zbo wins $137 from the main pot with three of a kind, threes.

Well, I guess I goofed folding this. I know you shouldnt fold in huge pots, even if there is a chance you are drawing dead. And it turns out my draw was live since no one was full. Suspected it was a bad fold. Thats why I posted it. If I wouldve called the turn and the river was a spade, the correct line would be bet/call correct? Thanks for your replies.

meep_42 · #8 05-19-2005, 09:15 PM

Yeah, i'd bet-call, since the likely raiser is going to be a couple places to your left.

-d