KK with an ace on the flop

sting · #1 05-19-2005, 11:13 AM

I know this is a fairly common occurrence, but it gives me fits - and quite frankly, I feel weak-tight dirty folding consistently. At work, so no hand history, but here goes:

6max party - 6 players (100NL)
No reads as Im on my 2nd orbit

Hero in CO with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
No limpers to UTG+1 who raises to $3
I raise to $10
Folded around to Villain who calls.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain bets out $15 - I fold.

Standard at 6max?

PoBoy321 · #2 05-19-2005, 11:36 AM

That's an easy-muck to me. I really can't think of any way that you're ahead here. This flop is as drawless as drawless can be, so villain obviously isn't semi-bluffing. I think that more often than not, you'll run into AK here rather than QQ and you can easily drop this.

jeccross · #3 05-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Yeah if he has QQ it's just a shame he got his money in first

sting · #4 05-19-2005, 11:55 AM

I raised this question because I often take Villain's line with TT-QQ and lead out an ace high flop. If the reraiser has a big pair that's not aces, a fold is likely

ScottTheFish · #5 05-19-2005, 01:59 PM

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I raised this question because I often take Villain's line with TT-QQ and lead out an ace high flop. If the reraiser has a big pair that's not aces, a fold is likely

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I do the same thing with TT-QQ. The reason it's a good play is the same reason this is a good fold. You don't want to get into a big pot with 2nd pair against a preflop reraiser.

meow_meow · #6 05-19-2005, 02:05 PM

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I raised this question because I often take Villain's line with TT-QQ and lead out an ace high flop. If the reraiser has a big pair that's not aces, a fold is likely

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I do the same thing with TT-QQ. The reason it's a good play is the same reason this is a good fold. You don't want to get into a big pot with 2nd pair against a preflop reraiser.

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Ha, the reason I don't do this with QQ-TT is that I assume my opponents are donks who get married to big pockets.

krimson · #7 05-19-2005, 04:09 PM

How about this same situation from out of position. Should you be betting 1/2 pot or so and folding to a raise? What if you bet 1/2 pot and villian calls it?