Flopped TPTK hu in the bb against a UTG raise

[spacemonkey57]

When I played this one I thought it was probably a way ahead/behind situation so I was planning on check-call, check-call, bet, but UTG screwed that up on the turn. Is this one too passive? I've only got 8 hands on UTG, so just assume he's a LA-P. Thanks.


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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (3.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Three bet PF, Raise the flop.

[gharp]

I wouldn't assume way-behind here. That flop probably scared him as much as it scared you so I'd raise it.

[thesharpie]

This is not really WA/WB. Here if you're behind you have about 5 outs, and the board is very drawy. I check raise the flop.

[jrz1972]

I would not adopt WA/WB here. Villain could have something like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in which case your flop check-raise (the play I would make) will not run him out of the pot.

[spacemonkey57]

Thanks all, I figured it probably wasn't WA/WB when I looked at the hand later.

[xenthebrain]

I would c/r the flop.

I don't think this is a WA/WB situation.
You are much more often WA and you will only be up against a flush or overpair very rare on the flop (he's LA-P you said, so doesn't mean he has something good to raise with UTG)

Since most people automatically bet the flop when they raised preflop and it gets HU I would c/r.
He will call you down with a singe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with AK or AJ.
I think that is profitable to c/r and then bet the turn yourself if he calls.
If a 4th heart falls I would check/call down.

[xenthebrain]

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Three bet PF, Raise the flop.

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You cannot do both.
Since most players usually bet when they raised preflop,
betting preflop doesn't get you more bets in.
Read this article for more on that topic.