AA runs in to Stop n' Go on Paired Board and I'm confuzzled

mdeck · #1 05-18-2005, 12:02 AM

No reads on anyone; Was I too passive when he C/R'ed me on the turn, or should I have folded given the size of the pot and the potential of drawing only to two outs? Was calling down better, incase of an overplayed bottom pair or pocket pair?

Thanks for your thoughts

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

DrewOnTilt · #2 05-18-2005, 12:09 AM

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No reads on anyone; Was I too passive when he C/R'ed me on the turn, or should I have folded given the size of the pot and the potential of drawing only to two outs? Was calling down better, incase of an overplayed bottom pair or pocket pair?

Thanks for your thoughts

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

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I see this as read-dependent. Against a rock I'm folding, but against an unknown I'm calling down.

brettbrettr · #3 05-18-2005, 12:10 AM

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Against a rock I'm folding,

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This would have to be the rockiest rock ever. I'd like to get another raise in.

Buck_65 · #4 05-18-2005, 12:11 AM

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I see this as read-dependent. Against a rock I'm folding, but against an unknown I'm calling down.

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Same. Also, this isn't a stop n' go.

Buck_65 · #5 05-18-2005, 12:14 AM

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Against a rock I'm folding,

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This would have to be the rockiest rock ever. I'd like to get another raise in.

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A turn raise from a true rock means you're beat here. Doesn't have to be the rockiest rock ever in my opinion.

brettbrettr · #6 05-18-2005, 12:16 AM

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Against a rock I'm folding,

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This would have to be the rockiest rock ever. I'd like to get another raise in.

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A turn raise from a true rock means you're beat here. Doesn't have to be the rockiest rock ever in my opinion.

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But against a TAG I'm taking this exact line with a lot of hand that don't include a queen. I'm not a rock, hence I can see others doing it as well. At the very least I'd like to see a call down.

brettbrettr · #7 05-18-2005, 12:16 AM

I like a river raise, fold to a 3-bet.

Buck_65 · #8 05-18-2005, 12:20 AM

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Against a rock I'm folding,

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This would have to be the rockiest rock ever. I'd like to get another raise in.

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A turn raise from a true rock means you're beat here. Doesn't have to be the rockiest rock ever in my opinion.

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But against a TAG I'm taking this exact line with a lot of hand that don't include a queen. I'm not a rock, hence I can see others doing it as well. At the very least I'd like to see a call down.

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Yeah, you gotta have a very specific read to fold to the turn raise of course. I'm probably showing this down 95% of the time, and more like 100% with no read.

rmarotti · #9 05-18-2005, 12:22 AM

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I like a river raise, fold to a 3-bet.

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I really think this line is almost never right against an unknown HU. I'm seeing a showdown w/ this hand almost no matter what.

brettbrettr · #10 05-18-2005, 12:23 AM

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I like a river raise, fold to a 3-bet.

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I really think this line is almost never right against an unknown HU. I'm seeing a showdown w/ this hand almost no matter what.

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I think the range of hands he's calling the raise with on that board is huge. He's basically only 3-betting with a queen. He's going to want to showdown 99, TT, etc.