Interesting KJo hand level 3 $109

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Villain doubled up on first hand by flopping two pair with QJo in an unraised pot. He overbet all-in on the turn after min-raising the flop on the QJo hand.

Should I have bet ~400 on the turn here and folded to a check-raise? I hate how this hand played out.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

Button (t2380)
SB (t998)
BB (t2040)
UTG (t1432)
MP (t1095)
Hero (t2055)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t325) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, BB calls t200.

Turn: (t725) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t725) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t1690 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2415

[Big Limpin']

yes bet the turn and take your free street as the river if you dont improve.

[bluefeet]

for me, i fold PF.

...with that flop, i'm thinking KJ has to be good. being out of position, i would bet a little more than pot (1.5x?) - not giving him anything close to odds if he's drawing.

considering the trouble with the free river card - and despite not being able to put him on a hand, i fold (as punishment for calling PF)

[Eevee]

It seems to me that Villain either had J9 or JT. Or he read by the check on the turn that ur AX missed. He could have had QJ AJ or KJ and bet after ur sign of weakness. I woudnt check that turn unless I knew my J was good and since you dont know that, you need to bet the turn to see where u are. Bet ~300-400 and fold to a raise IMO.

-EV

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[Nick M]

slam the turn, and check behind if he calls and checks the river. I think you got him though. If he has J10 than he gets paid.

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for me, i fold PF.

...with that flop, i'm thinking KJ has to be good. being out of position, i would bet a little more than pot (1.5x?) - not giving him anything close to odds if he's drawing.

considering the trouble with the free river card - and despite not being able to put him on a hand, i fold (as punishment for calling PF)

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This is the worst advice I have ever seen posted on 2+2.

I think raising KJo preflop when folded to in the cutoff is pretty standard, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there.

As for the rest of the post, I am not out of position at all, and there are no draws on the board. My typical continuation bet is 1/2-2/3 pot; betting 1.5x pot on a regular basis will cost me more when I get check-raised, and I'll be less likely to get called when I hit a good flop.

To sum things up, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[TT_fold]

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yes bet the turn and take your free street as the river if you dont improve.

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That's all I need to hear... thanks for talking some sense into me. I took a strange line here.

[bluefeet]

My apologies TT, I took to my reply post the notion you were leading out the whole time. I stand corrected...and wrong as hell. The 'draw' I was referring too, was simply my mistaken assumption that a hand was acting after you, perhaps having missed the flop, wanting to see the turn.

I'd still prefer a pot bet with TP2K. And yes, drop the hammer on the turn.

Sorry again!
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[Newt_Buggs]

depending on the table I might fold this pf too beacuse:
1. KJ sucks, especially against anything that is calling a raise
2. every raise at this point is reducing your FE once the blinds get worth stealing

If I'm feeling bored I might raise pf here like you did though.

[Nick B.]

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depending on the table I might fold this pf too beacuse:
1. KJ sucks, especially against anything that is calling a raise
2. every raise at this point is reducing your FE once the blinds get worth stealing


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holy bad advice.