Should I valuebet the river on this multi-way pot?

Arm187r · #1 05-17-2005, 04:38 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

I think I played this hand fairly well but I didn't know if I should of bet the river or not.

1) Runner-runner flush is unlikely but not impossible. I didn't want to get c/r here and pay-off.

2) Also I didn't cap preflop? Mistake or not, I waited to the turn cause I figured I'd get bet into again and I'd collect more BB's on the turn than I gave up SB's on the flop.(Just cap the flop and bet the turn?)

adsman · #2 05-17-2005, 04:46 AM

I'm going full on aggressive on that flop. It's highly likely that 2 pair is out there and they can suckout good. If I had a dollar for every time I had a str8 on the flop that got wrecked on the turn.....

I'm also betting the river.

cmwck · #3 05-17-2005, 04:48 AM

I don't care if they're sooted, fold PF. EDIT:You could probably play it if you had a read on the table though.

If you hate money, that's one way to play it on the flop...
You missed about 2.5 BB there.

Good, at least you raised the turn.

Do I think you should value-bet the second nuts on the river? ...Yes

matt42s · #4 05-17-2005, 04:48 AM

not sure about capping the flop, could go either way.
I would bet the river, I think you would have heard from the flush. and yes I would have paid it off.

adsman · #5 05-17-2005, 04:51 AM

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I don't care if they're sooted, fold PF.

If you hate money, that's one way to play it on the flop...
You missed about 2.5 BB there.

Good, at least you raised the turn.

Do I think you should value-bet the second nuts on the river? ...Yes

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I play this hand preflop. You've just got to know how to play it postflop to make a profit. Also, hero doesn't have the second nuts.

cmwck · #6 05-17-2005, 04:54 AM

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I don't care if they're sooted, fold PF.

If you hate money, that's one way to play it on the flop...
You missed about 2.5 BB there.

Good, at least you raised the turn.

Do I think you should value-bet the second nuts on the river? ...Yes

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I play this hand preflop. You've just got to know how to play it postflop to make a profit. Also, hero doesn't have the second nuts.

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Whoops. OK, I guess someone could have AQ for a higher straight. Its still a value bet though.

Arm187r · #7 05-17-2005, 04:56 AM

2nd nuts? I don't even have the nut straight.

I'm not in love with Q9 suited if thats what you guys are afraid of.

Arm187r · #8 05-17-2005, 05:07 AM

Another reason I didn't cap the flop was because I wasn't afraid of any flush draws at the time.
I thought I read somewhere to wait till the turn to get your big raises in? Is that concept for HU action?
Besides if I cap the flop will I get bet into again on the turn?
This table was loose but not excessively if that makes any difference.
I realize I pussed out on the river i felt it at the time to, but AQ and the runner-runner flush possiblility made me a bit wary.

bottomset · #9 05-17-2005, 05:07 AM

preflop is fine

cap the flop
bet the river

cmwck · #10 05-17-2005, 05:21 AM

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Another reason I didn't cap the flop was because I wasn't afraid of any flush draws at the time.
I thought I read somewhere to wait till the turn to get your big raises in? Is that concept for HU action?
Besides if I cap the flop will I get bet into again on the turn?
This table was loose but not excessively if that makes any difference.
I realize I pussed out on the river i felt it at the time to, but AQ and the runner-runner flush possiblility made me a bit wary.

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If you just call the flop, you'll win 0 extra BBs, plus you'll win 6 BBs on the turn.

If you cap the flop, you'll win 3 extra BBs, plus 3 BBs on the turn.

So, you can win the same amount by capping the flop, but you might get more if he really likes his hand and bets into you on the turn.