PP NL$50 (6-Max) Why is everybody always picking on me?

bingledork · #1 05-16-2005, 11:19 PM

Three hands from Party Poker $50NL, 6-max. Villians are different people from different days. I recently moved up to PP50, and I'm trying to figure out the difference from PP25. I'm not sure if I'm giving the average PP50 player too much respect or too little.

All comments appreciated.

Hand 1
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Hero ($40.05)
Button ($60.8)
SB ($45.42)
BB ($47.75)
UTG ($101.97)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, Button folds, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($24.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero ?

Hand 2
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Hero ($49.25)
SB ($51)
BB ($54.2)
UTG ($37.47)
MP ($28.81)
CO ($131.7)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, BB folds.

Turn: ($14.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50.

River: ($24.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero ?

Hand 3
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Hero ($37.13)
BB ($61.75)
UTG ($26.6)
MP ($179.74)
CO ($41.5)
Button ($44.8)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $1.75, 1 fold, MP calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4, CO raises to $8, Hero ...?

soah · #2 05-17-2005, 12:46 AM

Whatever you do, I hope it doesn't involve paying off the nuts in the second hand

TheWorstPlayer · #3 05-17-2005, 01:06 AM

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Really? I see this as X% QJ/Y% [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and don't think this is a 100% obvious fold.

soah · #4 05-17-2005, 03:11 AM

That would be a really bizarre bluff. Hero has given every indication that he really likes his hand. I have nothing much to base this opinion on, but I have a hard time believing that a typical NL50 player is manical enough to fire huge on that river with just a busted draw after running into so much resistance. (And if he were manical like that, why not try to blow Hero off of his hand earlier? The min-betting donks are trying to hit their hand as cheaply as possible. This is inconsistent with the profile of a big bluffer.)

TheWorstPlayer · #5 05-17-2005, 03:32 AM

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That would be a really bizarre bluff. Hero has given every indication that he really likes his hand. I have nothing much to base this opinion on, but I have a hard time believing that a typical NL50 player is manical enough to fire huge on that river with just a busted draw after running into so much resistance. (And if he were manical like that, why not try to blow Hero off of his hand earlier? The min-betting donks are trying to hit their hand as cheaply as possible. This is inconsistent with the profile of a big bluffer.)

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How about this hand?

Hand 2a
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Hero ($149.25)
SB ($151)
BB ($54.2)
UTG ($37.47)
MP ($28.81)
CO ($131.7)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4, BB folds.

Turn: ($14.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15.

River: ($44.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $130 (All-in), Hero ?

soah · #6 05-17-2005, 03:53 AM

I'm really tired and I can't figure out what point you are trying to make. You need a read to make those types of calls.

TheWorstPlayer · #7 05-17-2005, 04:20 AM

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That's cool. I was just thinking that the min-bet might be confusing things and also that the river bet was basically pot-sized so you couldn't read that much into it. So I edited the hand to make him simply c/c and then overbet the river which I think is quite often a missed draw. I agree that you need reads to call, particularly if he overbets when a draw hits. If the river had blanked, though, instead of completing a likely draw, I think it would be an easy call expecting to see a busted draw and I was just surprised that you seemed so sure he had the nuts even though one likely draw busted and his play was consistent with a busted draw as well as a made one. That is all. I agree that it should be a fold, though, against an unknown. Some players will always check/raise the nuts there, though.

TheWorstPlayer · #8 05-17-2005, 04:28 AM

Hand 1: Against an unknown, just fold to his flop raise. Unknowns don't check/raise without beating top pair.

Hand 2: Fold without a good read. I would be tempted to call because it looks a lot like a busted flush draw (a lot of people would check/raise the nuts here) but I doubt you are ahead 50% of the time against an unknown. I don't think a call is terrible though, honestly (although soah does, apparently, and he plays goot).

Hand 3: With MP almost certainly on a draw, CO should raise more with a good hand. And this is such a draw heavy board, this could be a free card play with a draw or it could be a feeler raise with QJ or something, prepared to drop it to further resistance. Then again, people at NL50 might play sets like this, even though it is terrible. Since you are somewhat short stacked, though, I probably call the raise and push a blank turn. If you had $75 at the start of the hand, I would call the raise and lead a blank turn for 1/2 pot, folding to a raise probably.

spoohunter · #9 05-17-2005, 04:42 AM

Hand #1 : Thank your opponent for not leading out and fold to his check raise.

Hand #2 : Why the wimpy turn raise? I like to raise to $15 here, because those tiny bets are usually draws.

Hand #3 : I like the sound of $24.

Finite_Risk · #10 05-17-2005, 07:17 AM

Agree with #3 (at least $24 with 2 opponents)

On #2, I smell busted flush but would not be surprised to see a K if I called - the dangers of hands like QT