Cheating is somewhere here at 30/60 or i'm just paranoid?

Peter_rus · #1 05-13-2005, 08:34 AM

Or simply weak? No special reads - new nicks in both hands:

Hand 1:

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: PeterRus is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
PeterRus calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, PeterRus 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, PeterRus bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, PeterRus bets, MP1 raises, BB 3-bets, PeterRus folds, MP1 caps, BB calls.

River: (16.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ad 4d (two pair, sevens and fives).
MP1 has Ah Kd (two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins 8.37 BB. BB wins 8.37 BB. 

Hand 2

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: PeterRus is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, 3 folds, PeterRus 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
PeterRus bets, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, PeterRus calls, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, PeterRus calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
PeterRus checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, PeterRus folds.

River: (12.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Ah 4d (one pair, fours).
MP3 has Th Qc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP3 wins 14.75 BB.

Lestat · #2 05-13-2005, 08:54 AM

Hand #2 - What did the 8 change?

ggbman · #3 05-13-2005, 08:55 AM

Hand 1 seems like definite collusion, hand 2 looks ok to me.

Lestat · #4 05-13-2005, 09:03 AM

I think you need a little more history on these two, to say "definite" collusion.

MP1 pops the turn with two pair/ace kicker. BB unwilling to fold this same hand with the nut flush draw, makes it 3 bets. Aggressive, yes. But again, I think you need more history to make the assumption of "definite" collusion.

stigmata · #5 05-13-2005, 09:07 AM

I take it this is different players in each hand?

Hand 1 looks kinda suspect, although the BB picked up the flush draw and decided to represent the full house, don't know what MP1 was up to. Hand 2 they both had some sort of draw they were pumping, and it just looks like donkishness rather than cheating.

On hand 2, why fold the safe turn after calling the flop cap?

If you are seriously concerned, email Party with the details, I do believe that they will look into it.

DeeJ · #6 05-13-2005, 09:12 AM

Hand 1 BB is simply being aggressive with the flush draw since he doesn't believe anyone has a 5 or 7 with the preflop action. He wanted to check raise but actually got a check-3bet. I might have folded this, though. Given that BB did have a valid reason to check-raise, I can't see it's collusion, especially as MP caps after you fold.

Hand 2 this is weak!! I see the showdown with Aces unless I have a big reason not to (and I see no big reason here).

Jeffage · #7 05-13-2005, 09:17 AM

Wow...hand number 1 is really suspect to me. Either these guys are crackheads or cheating, but the betting pattern suggests collusion. I'd send it to support.

2 looks like typical unbridled aggression from those guys to me, I don't think it's suspiscious. I don't like your turn fold btw...I would have probably capped the flop myself and continued betting.

Jeff

J_V · #8 05-13-2005, 09:26 AM

Very suspect. You should send these to support.

imashyboi · #9 05-13-2005, 09:28 AM

Hand 1

Its possible that either BB or MP1 to have a 7 or the 5 since you limped/reraised. Players are suppose to fold their hands when it comes back 2-cold to them specially when they have weak holding but with several callers I'm sure someone who has 77,55,A7s,A5s would call when their are several players in already, BB specially. I wouldn't be surprised if
someone has a big hand here such as quads against a full house or a slowplayed 7's against a already made full house.

Hand 2

Do you think MP2 has 44 here or a flush? He limped in middle position indicating a small pair or a Axs. MP3 could have several hands, I'll list the candidates.

JJ, AK(Ah), KK

He raised the flop indicating that he hit something but on the turn he didn't bother raising in case MP2 has a flush already.

My question would be MP3. If he has a set against MP2's flush would it be a stronger play to raise the turn or just call and fold if he doesn't hit the full house? He would have 10 outs to help him win and he has position too and could check the river unimproved. MP2 could also have 44 and by c/raising the turn MP2 will define his hand to you if he has it already.

NYplayer · #10 05-13-2005, 09:31 AM

wouldn't the river go bet fold if they were cheating?